Subscription: Advertisement vs Truth

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You, sir or ma'am, speak gospel. And it saddens me greatly.

M

Why would you need to spin an increase in the chocolate ration?

Ok so now I have read this entire thread which has given me a killer headache. But despite the pain I wanted to add a couple of things before I quit this thread hopefully forever but for sure for tonite lol.

First of all. whoever thinks that a RACE in a game is cosmetic is... ok I wont call names. But yeah, Race is perhaps THE most important part of character creation to a lot of people, second only to class. Race determines all of the other choices a game may offer. Scars, horns, make up, skin color, hair color, etc choices are almost always determined by what race you choose. This is not cosmetic at all. This is CHARACTER CREATION.

Secondly, the remark from the dev scares the crap out of me. What is next? "We are changing the words "free to subscribers" to "free to subscribers after they then pay an additional fee through the CM"...wait, they are already doing that.

This post is spot on.
I just resubbed a couple of weeks ago after a 2 month hiatus due to personal health issues (the only 2 months I didnt pay a sub fee since the game went live) and I am now unsubbing again. I will not pay a sub to a game that charges me extra for race/class or anything that gives people who pay real money an advantage in the game. Which, if they get away with charging for race is what is coming next. They will just change the wording.

M

PS I still think a lot of the people here are representing sheep rather well. Way to buy into the company store.

M

Yes BW/EA have done the wrong thing charging subscribers CC for new race. (Note subscribers did not have to pay for any other race. Racial unlocks, yes, but not to be able to roll the race for specific classes).

Yes, changing their agreement with their subscribers after the fact sucks.

I hope we don't lose players over the fact that fuzzies aren't free, it would be a real shame to quit the game over the fact the BW/EA have done the wrong thing again.

The game itself is great. Mostly.

I think the OP and his minions in this thread are the ones splitting hairs just to be argumentative..

Seriously.. There is nothing here to even discuss.. There is nothing wrong with putting a vanity item in the Cartel Market..

It isn't in poor taste to give subscribers a grant of cartel coins that they can use as they wish.. You are just making a sore attempt at grasping at straws.. You are also forgetting that the coins we receive for this grant are in fact free.. I'll restate the word free.. So it is completely reasonable for Bioware to assume that you will use your free coins to unlock the new race.. Thereby giving all subscribers free access.. Ok you spent your coins?? Well.. Then you got some other stuff for free and either have to wait till you have enough to buy the unlock or spend a few bucks for some more coins.. That still doesn't change the fact that you got some other stuff for free.. A fact that seems to be constantly forgotten...

Oh by the way.. The grant of Cartel coins are free.. There was no grant before F2P was launched and no expectation of a grant before it was announced.. They even went back and back paid us to the start of our sub.. Something they did not have to do.. Nor did they have to give us a grant in the first place.. The grant is yet another perk offered to subscribers that F2P people do not have.. We even get 100 free coins just for having authenticator.. Does our subscription pay for that?? Seriously dude.. You need to get off your high horse here.. Bioware doesn't owe us anything.. We are well compensated for our measly $15 dollars a month.. Which gives us access to a game for 30 days.. 30 days of entertainment for just $15 dollars.. Heck, it costs $16 for a double feature at a drive in.. That is just 4 to 6 hours depending on the movies.. $15 won't even feed a family of 4 at McDonald's..

So seriously.. Like I said.. There is the OP's truth and then there is the truth that is backed by basic facts and logic..

Wow.. Are we playing the same game?? Because the Chiss are not available to any republic character until you unlock it?? The Sith Pure Bloods are also not available to any republic character until you unlock it.. You either have to lvl one to 50 on the imp side to gain access on the republic side, or purchase the unlock.. That is how it has been since the beta.. It hasn't changed..

Seriously dude?? What game are you playing?? It just doesn't sound like you are playing SWTOR..

I get the feeling that some of these peeps dont even play the game, i think they are paid to always hate on the forums, like the guy you quoted and what you say to him is spot on. I mean who dislikes a thing so much and yet plays it, makes zero sense for you to not only play but pay to play a game that you hate from a company you detest.

And i wouldnt be shocked if they are paid to hate or part of a water army cos blizzard has been done and fined for this exact thing before. I mean come on, the peeps that are pure haters go back in there history and you would think ea burgaled there house, shot there dog and and ran off with there wife.

I find it very sad that Bioware has to update the wording in their website because some people just seem to be at a loss for some basic concepts and logic..

Is the Cathar species part of the player creation or character creation choices?? No.. It is NOT in any way part of the character creation or choices process.. Why??

Because it is already a reality to not have access to ALL of the species in the game.. Yet not a single person that is up in arms about this wants to consider that.. You either have to level on to 50 in the opposite faction to access in the other faction.. Or you have to pay a rather hefty sum of credits to gain access.. It has been this way since before launch in the beta..

The Cathar is an entirely new species and not part of the original game.. It is also a vanity item.. Hence there is nothing wrong with it being added to the Cartel Market to be unlocked..

At 600cc, it is priced to be right in there with a subscribers monthly grant.. Now if you blew your monthly grant on packs and such... That is fine.. You still got some free stuff.. You can either wait for the next time we get our grant, or purchase some extra coins.. The point is, Bioware does release stuff to the Cartel Market with the intent of us using our grant money to buy it.. Whether or not we do is up to us.. Both my wife and I have plenty of coins.. I have over 3k and she has almost 5k.. Needless to say we will be to unlock the Cathar species the second it is released.. At no extra charge to us.. Just like the advertisement says..

Now.. Please understand.. Nobody is saying that you have to save your coins for things like this.. You can certainly spend it on other things.. Just bare in mind that you are using your free money and still getting things for free.. If you have to buy some more coins to get the Cathar.. You are still within their advertisement.. You just chose to use your grant on something else.. Bioware has no control over that..

That is why we have the monthly grant in the first place.. So when things like this come up.. We the subscribers have the money to purchase them.. A F2P player does not have that luxury.. They have to purchase their coins regardless.. If you are going to spend your coins on other things.. Then it isn't Bioware's fault that you don't have the coins to unlock the Cathar.. Nor does any of this have anything to do with how they advertise being a subscriber..

It is sad that Bioware feels the need to update their website.. But.. I do understand..

My minions, I like the sound of that ? Seriously though the "truth" here is a lot a matter of point of view. Your appalling arrogance in calling my opinion and the opinion of many others here, illogical and nonfactual is what leads threads like this to derail.

You don't feel like it is an issue? That's still lovely, just bashing down on the fact that obviously there are people, like myself that have an issue with how this is developing isn't helping. I've accepted you're opinion on this matter a long time ago, and its valid, maybe its time of you, if you really wan't to talk about getting of high horses to begin doing the same thing here.

they are NOT free coins. I'm pretty tired of people claiming that they are free coins. and yes, there were no cartel coins prior to f2p launch. at all. whatever was added to the game was available with in game currency only. cartel coins didn't exist. at all. they weren't required for anything.

you are paying subscription to get those coins. you are paying $15 a month to get 500 coins. you could be paying $10 a month to get 1000 coins. but whichever way you chose, you are STILL paying. since the rest of the benefits to subscription are lets face it - minimal the longer you play, you might as well stop paying subscription and just buy coins as needed. would certainly be cheaper.

making so many new additions cartel coin only tells subscribers that their lump sum payment is not as valuable or valued, as cartel coin purchases.

and the funny thing is - simply making that unlock available for credits, same as all the other unlocks (what are they, 1 mill?) would sufficiently reward subscribers allowing them to feel like subscription is still worth something, while at the same time restricting access for f2p, since they cannot carry that many credits anyways.

but that's not bioware's intention. micro transactions make more money it seems. so this game is shifting more and more towards that model, making subscribers into an afterthought