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TaylorNova
04.25.2013 , 04:46 AM | #1
greetings:

After playing this game as subbed since January 2013, I now can give an informative review on SWTOR.

Unfortunately, There are some basic grumbles, and some more concerning ones , which will decide if i stay with SWTOR.

I will attempt to deal with some issues one at a time:

1. This is an important one: (BTW I am Level 32 Vanguard trooper )

After yesterdays maintenance, I quickly finished of a small mission end to level up to 32.
However, returning to Nar Shaddaa to walk through previous old ground To do with Arics "missing in action" in cell blocks, I passed by One Litter Droid and 4 lowly Guards, which usually Are just a nuisance as I pass into another area. But this time, I found I had lost about 30% of my armour and power, or they had been upped by 30% because, despite even upping Aric's Armour more, just before hand, this group in 3 minuets, had defeated me, which dont make sense.

After doing a medic on the spot ,we continued on, and avoided most, until turned a corner, and got attacked again by another set of 4 guards and a litter Droid, The same happened again, defeated. I then returned to a Medic Droid for a top up of 25% armour lost from what I was wearing, and was astounded the Medic Took a staggering 2000 Credits, just to repair the small amount of damage, leaving me with not even enough credits to get a taxi.
I had used all my regulation med packs, trying to defeat these small groups, that I defeated quite normally at level 25. The items recovered from bodies and droids, are only worth about 30 credits each, how in hell you supposed to get enough in only two skirmishes to pay the med Droid 2000Credits for a minor repair makes it look like the Devs have not got there Logistics right.

2. Why does there have to be game maintenance at peak times of 2pm instead of between midnight-4Am like other games.

3. Warzones I have stopped playing, because there is great unfairness, in the mix of charactor levels, and lower level charactors, get an unfair score, which is mosty down the bottom. In fact not one cup have I have won, since I been playing them. In WoW "capture the flag missions, everybody was in a level bracket, so level 29-33 was what your group consisted off. here, I was astounded to be beaten by a lvl 50 Sith, which , to my mind should not be pitted against people of my level. IN WoW, I put a lot of effort into what i did, and usually came third fourth, or occasionally 1st. But here, Im constantly at the bottom. because my group members are much higher than me, with more skills more armour more of everything, meaning I will never compete for the number 1 spot at level 32.

3. One of my main complaints of this game, is that Bioware haven't made Corpse camping or Spawn killing illegal.
In Tatooine, Im continually having to leave missions and not finish them, because level 55 PVP siths, camp out at small outposts, and corpse kill, not once, but over and over, until you have used all your credits on med packs or paying the droid maybe a kilometer away.

many games I have played before, and WW2 online ones, make corpse killing illegal game play, meaning you can report a player for camping at re spawn points. I dont know why Bioware allows this, as I know several people who have to abandon tatooine, because they are unable to heal, to continue therre missions, and like mine, tatooine is part of my story line, meaning I have to go there. I would certainly like to see a rule, that forbids camping spawing areas, This to me, is very important, as to wether I continue to play and sub here.

4. I make med packs Which I sometimes give to my friends, or sell a job lot on the GTM, But the only med pack's Im able to make is Compact ones, Once I get missions In Alderaan and Tatooine, Compact med packs are totally useless, and I have to continually Buy expensive regulation ones, at a medic droid, which outstrips my income of credits in no Time. So , if anybody knows how to make higher level Med packs than compacts, using Bio-anylsis & Bio Chem, using Goo, But had to sell all my Goo, to get enough credits to pay a taxi back to a space port.

In closing, the Logistics of this game, seem to be out of balance in many ways, Im not lazy, I send out on gathering missions three of my companions, I Upgrade my armour each level up, mosty all premium and occasionally A Prototype item. I do try to sell surplus items on GTM, not only to help others get affordable stuff, but for me to make a few credits, But as I say, since yesterdays patch, I really don't know where Im going to find the credits to pay the medic droid 2000credits each time. or afford three trauma packs at 700 credits each.
I dont want leave this game, but there are many unfair advantages that only level 50 players seem to enjoy, and I feel like a second class player because of that.

Useful comments welcome of course, and constructive solutions.

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redfurry
04.25.2013 , 05:41 AM | #2
I'm not sure if I can be much help, but:

1. It is a bit weird that your character was suddenly that much worse... I can think of two things: either your skill points were reset (this happens with some game upgrades when the skills for your class change significantly), or your armor was so deteriorated that it stopped working. This would also explain why the repair was so (relatively) expensive. Did you notice a big improvement after repair?

4. Check back with the Biochem trainer every few levels to learn schematics for higher level medpacks, stims and implants. You'll notice they need higher level materials that are found on higher level planets. The level needed to use the medpack, the skill level needed to make it, and the appropriate level for the planet where the materials to make it can be found, should all be more or less on par.

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Tatile
04.25.2013 , 06:06 AM | #3
Maintenance is done at the same time in all regions - so they take the servers down when it will least affect their largest player base, the US. Be thankful you're not living in Australia, where the servers come down during peak time.

Also, the repair costs were changed in 2.0 back to what they were originally supposed to be; the only reason they were so cheap before was because Bioware introduced a bug in (I think) the 1.7 patch that caused repair costs to become astronomical. Current repair costs should and do reflect at your level. If you're dying so much then, sorry, you're playing something wrong. You may just need to ditch Aric and get a healing companion if you're unable to simply over-power the content as you think you should.

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Arutar
04.25.2013 , 06:49 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by TaylorNova View Post
3. Warzones I have stopped playing, because there is great unfairness, in the mix of charactor levels, and lower level charactors, get an unfair score, which is mosty down the bottom. In fact not one cup have I have won, since I been playing them. In WoW "capture the flag missions, everybody was in a level bracket, so level 29-33 was what your group consisted off. here, I was astounded to be beaten by a lvl 50 Sith, which , to my mind should not be pitted against people of my level. IN WoW, I put a lot of effort into what i did, and usually came third fourth, or occasionally 1st. But here, Im constantly at the bottom. because my group members are much higher than me, with more skills more armour more of everything, meaning I will never compete for the number 1 spot at level 32.

3. One of my main complaints of this game, is that Bioware haven't made Corpse camping or Spawn killing illegal.
In Tatooine, Im continually having to leave missions and not finish them, because level 55 PVP siths, camp out at small outposts, and corpse kill, not once, but over and over, until you have used all your credits on med packs or paying the droid maybe a kilometer away.

4. I make med packs Which I sometimes give to my friends, or sell a job lot on the GTM, But the only med pack's Im able to make is Compact ones, Once I get missions In Alderaan and Tatooine, Compact med packs are totally useless, and I have to continually Buy expensive regulation ones, at a medic droid, which outstrips my income of credits in no Time. So , if anybody knows how to make higher level Med packs than compacts, using Bio-anylsis & Bio Chem, using Goo, But had to sell all my Goo, to get enough credits to pay a taxi back to a space port.
to 3. (1st) The bolster under lvl 55 is working reasonably well, though in your early lvl 30 it is a bit problematic due to the new bracket. Still, the bolster makes you competive at least to some extent. Also, WOWs brackets are no better, even after they had reduced them to 5 levels (dowm from 10!), becuase wow has no bolster. A level difference of 4-5 levels unbolstered is still a huge gap, and propably a bigger gap than 20 levels with a bolster in place.

to 3. (2nd) Happens sometimes, but why did you not go to a PVE server?

to 4. Why do you need so many medpacks? I use them only if a pull goes really wrong or in boss fights. I find tons more than I use without ever having bought one. You realize that you can quickly heal out of combat without medpack, right? (serious question, I met a guy once who did honestly not know that). Also, if you are biochemistry, why do you not make reusable medpacks? Or why do you not take out your heal companion?

p.s. Seriously, what is with all the medpacks? Some of my characters have practicially never used one in their entire life...

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SpoeMeister
04.25.2013 , 07:57 AM | #5
1. It may have been that you were outlevelled. Nar Shaddaa also has a bonus series, and it is in the same area as your companion quest "Missing in Action". I don't know the level difference between the first time you visit Nar Shaddaa and the bonus quest but that might have been it.

Check also the following two things: 1. Is your gear broken? If so, repair it or replace it. 2. Are your skill points allocated. 2.0 refunded all skill points. If not, press 'K' to open the skills window and allocate your points.

Finally, it could be a genuine Learn To Play issue. In that case, if the above statements are true (you have skill points allocated and your gear is not broken, allow me to give the following tips:

- Make sure to always take out the weakest targets first. Enemies with a silver or gold symbol should be dealt with last. The faster you diminish size of the group, the lesser damage you take.

- Standard and Weak enemies are stunned by the following attacks: Mortar Volley, Sticky Grenade and Full Auto. If you see a mob that you can't pass by, open up with Mortar Volley. This will knock down all the weak and standard targets. Then throw a sticky grenade to one standard enemy and use Full Auto on another enemy. You have now effectively locked down two targets. Full Auto should kill the standard target. Finish off the second one (that you stickied) with your basic attack. By now you should only face one or two enemies. Aim for the weakest again and kill him off. Now you can focus on just that strong or elite target.

- Try to get a feel for which abilities are best. This depends mostly on which skill tree you are leveling with but there are some standard attacks that will always give good results. Examples are: Mortar Volley (when 2 or more targets), Full Auto (to take out a standard mob), Sticky Grenade (stuns a standard mob and gives decent damage), Stockstrike (it is decent damage and will give procs relative to your skill tree) and High Impact Bolt (use this always on cooldown). Flamethrower is decent when you have a pack of mobs close to each other. Let it tick to put all of them in lower health. Ion Pulse is also your go-to ability when you're a shield specialist or Assault Specialist.
Avoid Explosive Round. It costs a lot of ammo and doesn't really do good damage for its cost.

- Use your defensive cooldowns: Reactive Shield reduces 25% of all damage for 12 seconds!! This is a great boost to your survivability.

- Activate a Cell: Depending on your skill tree, make sure that you activate the proper Power Cell.


2. Maintenance Peak Times: Sadly, these times are based on the peak times of America. I'm guessing you are European. The company is on American soil, so they will do the maintenance when that zone has the least amount of activity. It's something you'll have to live with.

3. Warzones: There are level brackets within the warzones. They are divided from 10-29, 30-54 and 55. The reasoning behind these brackets is that starting L30 a player should have all the tools for their main rotation. Meaning that from there on, you should know what abilities to prioritize to optimize your damage. This, in accordance to your point 1, might feel like another Learn to play issue. To learn about your rotations as a Vanguard in any spec, I'd advice to search the Vanguard forum or the Powertech forum (the latter you should find out which are the mirror abilities). The new Bolster System should allow you to fight on relative equal footing against a L50. Just keep your gear updated as you level and armour rating and such shouldn't pose a problem.

4. Corpse Camping and Spawn Killing: Ask around on Tatooine if any 55's of your faction are present to help you. Usually they are willing to help. If none are around, I'd suggest using Quick Travel to travel to another spawn center and continue your quest from there...

5. Crafting Medpacks. OK, so I will try to explain as concise as possible what you can achieve with Biochem. You have the ability to craft Medpacks, Stims and Adrenals. These are all very useful to help you in combat.

First: in order to properly use Biochem, you will need two more crew skills: Bio-analysis and Diplomacy. The former will allow you to gather materials for the green versions of your crafts. The latter will allow you to craft Blue and/or Purple level items of the same. I will explain further how to get those blues and purples.

Second: You always start with the green version of a schematic. You can buy these from your crew skill trainer on the fleet and even on some planets, like Tatooine. To save money, I suggest to first just buy the class appropriate items, so for your Vanguard that would be all medpacks and stims to boost either your Aim or your Endurance. Adrenals are nice, but very expensive to make so IMO not really worth it to buy as you level up.

Third: now that you have your schematics and you've gathered the appropriate materials, start crafting the stims and medpacks that you wish. I always prioritize on having the level-appropriate medpack first before I work on the stims, but that's up to you. When you crafted those green items, DON'T USE THEM. Go to step 4.

Fourth: Now you will upgrade your items from green to blue. How? By reverse engineering. Go to your inventory window. In the upper-right corner, there's a button called "Reverse Engineering". Click it and you will see that all your stuff will grey out, except for the items you crafted and maybe some randoms. You can now reverse-engineer those items you crafted for a 20% chance PER ITEM to gain a new recipe. This recipe will be the blue version of the schematic you used earlier. These have better effects than their green version. Go to 5

Fifth: Once you have the blue version of a schematic, STOP CRAFTING THE GREEN VERSION. This will only eat resources. You now either have the choice to keep it with blue, craft a couple of those and be done with it. OR you can decide you want to go to purple level schematics for that same item. In the case of Biochem, purple level Stims and Medpacks are reusable, so you will never have to make more than one for yourself. Repeat step 4 if you want the purple level, but to make blues, you will need materials from Diplomacy and to craft purples you will need rare crafting materials from diplomacy. You can do this if you have a companion that has a crit rating on the Diplomacy crew skill.

That's about it. There are better guides out there to explain all the crafting, but this is the basic jist of it.

In closure: I think that maybe your being overzealous may have cost you so many credits. You don't need to be Best In Slot while leveling. if you want to upgrade your armor, Save up on Planetary Commendations and use those to buy modifications for your orange gear. Also, try to get as many orange gear as you can possibly get (I think atm 8 slots are moddable while leveling) so you can use your commendations and not your credits for upgrading your armor.

Also, I don't know what server you are playing on, but I'm on Tomb of Freedon Nadd. If you're on that server, I can level a bit with you on my 32 Gunslinger. I have leveled a Powertech (Vanguard Mirror) so I'm more than willing to help you out with your class. Hit me up via PM or by replying here if you want to play.

TL;DR: I addressed some issues with possible solutions. Go read them!
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TaylorNova
04.25.2013 , 08:51 AM | #6
Hi Guys, thanks for your comments. I happened upon some utube Video's while away, and found a couple of interesting things that I didnt know about too.

One was, that you could expand the Bars at the bottom, I only been using maybe three quarters of my skills, cos they are on slot two, which is a pain to access, in a hurry, ending up clicking slot 6 LOL.

On matter of being weaker, no, my skill tree is still active, ironic that I just put a point on "rebraced Armour" just before too.

No I never let my armour get let less than 90/120 damaged, before I get it fully restored, on this occasion, I only suffered the two defeats, which before the patch, the litter droid would have ignored me? Confused? I have no idea why the medic droid charged me 2000 credits for repairs of 30%.

No, there was no improvements , in fact entering into a Warzone, which I do several times a day, before Logging out, for the first time, I had no kills to my name, 11 deaths, and came last from bottom. But then my fellow group members are lvl 45 or 50? Most of the enemy was way above lvl 39.

As far as maintenance, in UK 2pm in the afternoon is peak timing, because of no jobs, millions of our population is not working for one reason or another, more uk people play in daytime afternoons now.

Tatile
thanks for advice, But I do use Elara a lot of the time, because she can heal me or a group I may join, But her armour is falling away, and is stuck at around lvl 24 because I just dont have the credits to go shopping, as i speak i have 75 left The reason Aric is with me, is because this mission requires Aric Jordan to be present to do the mission which revolves around some cell blocks. So Elara has to be dismissed on this occasion.

Im not aware that a revisit to a Bioware trainer was part of my crew skills.? The only trainer I ever visit is my Trooper Skills trainer, I know nothing of re visiting other trainers, I will have to look into that, and thanks for that tip.

Arutar: I really dont know how you get through 5-6 hours fighting in Alderaan or tatooine without using medpacks, by daily usage is around 15. 6 of those are used up in Warzone fighting, the other 8 are used to try to heal me before getting defeated, but usually fail, and they only have one fight use, so if Im escorting a family to a Drop ship point, fighting 5 groups of commanders, I get through 6 medpacks trying to get past the first 4 sets of enemy's, The last medpack, is not enough to hold off the other 3 groups on the path further along, and without anymore I just lose, and the mission resets itself, meaning I have lost all my medpacks for nothing, and as I get no reward for getting to the drop ship point, Im out of credits by that time.

I have only found 5 medpacks on bodies since January, when I started playing. Lucky if I find 1 medpack a week!

yes, I do recharge myself, if possible, but, sometimes, there is so many nearby enemies, under the short time stealth is granted, im still to close, when im recharging, that I am promptly taken out again, and thats whats making my game a frustrating chore instead of making any progress. re-usable medpacks I have no knowledge off.

I wish there were Inworld Mods to help like in WoW, they were brilliant at helping newcomers from getting stuck to getting logged out, from just general problems with how to go about things. here, All I get is an automated message in my main Email Address, which I only access twice a day. There seems to be no reply from a mod within the game?

On matter of Bio matter, I can't access any of it on Tatooine or Alderaan, because it says I lack the skill level to harvest it

I dont really want to go PVE, as a battlefield p4F player, in tank and infrantry battles, once becoming an admin on it,and had own server, I like PVP, What I am saying is, that balance of levels needs restoring in Warzones, and Corpse killing/ camping made illegal game play, because that's harassment, when you are not being allowed to go about your business on missions, without being harassed unfairly. In fact i may submit a ticket on this subject,because when ever I am in tatooine, many other players get really P^^^^^ off with this problem which should be clamped down on ASAP.

Thanks again

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TaylorNova
04.25.2013 , 08:58 AM | #7
To SpoeMeister:

Only Just saw your very informative post, a lot to take in for a 62 year old Youngster hahahahaha
Once I read it all, I will reply, and thank you for taking the time to type all that out, much appreciated

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SpoeMeister
04.25.2013 , 12:52 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by TaylorNova View Post
To SpoeMeister:

Only Just saw your very informative post, a lot to take in for a 62 year old Youngster hahahahaha
Once I read it all, I will reply, and thank you for taking the time to type all that out, much appreciated

No problem :-) I'm around if you have more questions.

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One was, that you could expand the Bars at the bottom, I only been using maybe three quarters of my skills, cos they are on slot two, which is a pain to access, in a hurry, ending up clicking slot 6 LOL.
This may also be a issue with your survivability. You seem to click a lot of your abilities. Now, I'm not one to preach that you should keybind all your abilities, but maybe it would help if you keybind 5 to 10 abilities. Assuming you move around using AWSD, this means you can keybind your main abilities to the numbers 1-5 above, Q, E and R which would give you 8 abilities without modifiers. That's a good place to start.
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TaylorNova
04.25.2013 , 01:19 PM | #9
yes , it is indeed "missing in action", which I returned to,because I could not get through it when I was at lower level, earlier in my career.
I will mention only this only once, about maintenance, I thought this was a European Server like Blizzard, which seemed to be based in EU I believe. Now I can guess why the support is not in-world, and customer service is , as, with most USA based ticket systems, your just a number, not a person.

Hasn't EA learn't anything about customer relations after the stunning fail of Sim City?

Ok here goes, I last visited Nar Shadaa at around level 27-28, before, not being able to finish the above mission, I continued my story line to Alderaan & Tatooine. As I said my present level is now 32.

Like to begin with telling you what I use now, that I feel is the best combo to me for groups of enemies.

yes, My main strike to get enemy's on the ground is the Mortar Volley, Unfortunately I have only level 4 of this, level 5 of mortar strike is 8000 credits, and I only have 75 left, so Im stuck at upgrading any of my main weapon skills, until such time, I find a way of increasing my credits. I have full auto, But its very weak, only the main rifle blast does any real damage. Hmm, Sticky grenades I stopped using, as had not much effect, but they are at rather a low level still.

Explosive Surge I actually found very useful in Taris, defeating groups of rakhouls with just 5 blasts of it, But, since moving on, there effectiveness has been poor of late. Explosive rounds arent as effective at this level anyway.

I dont really understand the iron cell technology, it never does anything when pressed, other than load my rifle , that does not appear to increase damage. I use the reactive shield, ok I use Most of the other skills, Shockstrike I use on the last group member, which is usually the Commando, by firing my harpoon at him, bringing him closer to deal damge to him within range While Elara finishes of the 4 guards, But as I say, since the patch yesterday, she also is defeated much quicker, how ever, I took away her offhand thing, because I really dont know what to put there, except generators or shield, But which type Im at a loss.

To cut down this message a bit, the crew skills I quickly go through, well, mine differ slighty for what you say, I have Biochem & Bio analysis , But have scavenging as third skill, to pick up junk metal to sell. I haven't come across Diplomacy before, although it sounds more like a skill for diplomatic missions????

yes, I am also on Tomb of Freedon Nadd

Reverse engineering seems advanced, But I will take time out to try and learn about it, and all these colour crystals. I often send Aric out, the large droid, or C2N2 to go on bio missions, but some cost 200 credits to do, and somewhere along my career I am not making enough credits to make ends meet. I have 720 Cartel coins, but I know on Utube some players use these to buy certain packs that maybe contain rare items, but as a budding trooper, still only 4 months into game, Im not confident enough to spend real money coins on something I may not be able to use.

Planetary commendations, I gave up turning in after Taris, In Coroscant , I get offered much lower items than what I buy from The GTM place. At the republic fleet, I dont get any better, and most of the vendors seem to sell only to level 50's.

To cap, I have active:


Mortar volley rank 4
Full auto rank 6
explosive round rank 7
Shock strike rank 7
Harpoon
Hi impact Bolt rank 5
Explosive surge
Sonic Round
reactive Shield
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Inactive:

Hammer strike
Riot strike
Neural Jolt
Ion Pulse rank 4
Fortification
Heroic No retreat
Plasma cell
Pulse cannon
Sticky grenade rank 4
iron cell

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Main hand Recon Carbine
offhand Efficay generator rating 62 lvl 26

Elara:

has her own upgraded blaster that she had when she was assigned to Havoc squad in Taris, Thats lvl 24,
but havent found anything better for her I can afford.
Offhand, she has empty slot, because I havent noticed any improvements using any shield or generator, so I sold it because I was out of credits to get a taxi once again. doh!

To be quite honest, I started A Jedi Consular a month ago, at level 4, I had her up to 19 within a matter of 6 days, she actually Out perform's my lvl 32 Trooper even in war zones by 50%. How can a Jedi Sage of lvl 19, have better protection, powers, and higher healing powers of a level 32 trooper??

its another imbalance I find hard to understand?? Seems to me, no wonder there are so many Siths out there wreaking havoc with throat holds in the air for almost 20 seconds!!!

Looks like its back to the School room for me.

"I would be pleased to be your so called apprentice" in The server we both in. Not sure what General Garza would think, she thinks im god ! hahaha

Its quite frustrating, because I fight hard and play hard, and never back away from an enemy, I have always been one who brings the fight to the enemy, not the other way round. I never give up a mission, I keep at it, BUT without credits, I am sometimes stuck in a planet with fleet pass already in cool down, meaning I have to log out, and use fleet pass next day to try get somewhere to earn a handful of credits.

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
04.25.2013 , 02:03 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Arutar View Post
to 3. (1st) The bolster under lvl 55 is working reasonably well, though in your early lvl 30 it is a bit problematic due to the new bracket. Still, the bolster makes you competive at least to some extent. Also, WOWs brackets are no better, even after they had reduced them to 5 levels (dowm from 10!), becuase wow has no bolster. A level difference of 4-5 levels unbolstered is still a huge gap, and propably a bigger gap than 20 levels with a bolster in place.

to 3. (2nd) Happens sometimes, but why did you not go to a PVE server?

to 4. Why do you need so many medpacks? I use them only if a pull goes really wrong or in boss fights. I find tons more than I use without ever having bought one. You realize that you can quickly heal out of combat without medpack, right? (serious question, I met a guy once who did honestly not know that). Also, if you are biochemistry, why do you not make reusable medpacks? Or why do you not take out your heal companion?

p.s. Seriously, what is with all the medpacks? Some of my characters have practicially never used one in their entire life...
He probably is on a PvE server. but he may have to run through Outlaw's Den to get somewhere therefore the sith can start smacking him around like a sock filled with butter.