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RotHC // 2.0 : Healing - It's ridiculous.

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RotHC // 2.0 : Healing - It's ridiculous.

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Kerensk
04.23.2013 , 08:20 PM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaizersan View Post
I have seen this trend as of late where people complain about healers but yet don't make a effort to kill them it's not hard most healers are not any harder to kill as they were before just got to learn how to play against all the new moves.
That's not it. I don't want to sound pompous but I was a decent commando in 1.7 and now I'm a demon .I was playing huttball against an operative healer and started wailing on him. The rest of both teams were off playing DPS ball so I was left alone. Neither moved and my rotation became about the same as PvE except throwing in interrupts when they came off cooldown and the guy kept his HP near 90%. I'd get a good burst that would knock him down 75% and he self healed back to 90 almost immediately.

I kept going for minutes figuring at least he's not healing his buddies and we were at a stalemate when I was joined by a sage. He kept the two of us busy just as well as before.
Finally I just knocked him into the pit and ran to help my team figuring they could use the DPS while he ran out of the pit.
I ended with over half a million DPS in a rather short game but never killed that guy. His healing was about the same.
having that perfect balance sounds nice but get two of him in the same match and they're invincible plus they can fire off the occasional round to interrupt a door or turret cap. Meanwhile if one of their DPS buddies walks up I'm dead.
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Volxen
04.23.2013 , 08:57 PM | #152
Lol, all of these threads complaining about healers are funny. As a healer, I'm glad 90% of people in Warzones have not discovered the secret weapon that is focus fire. It sure sucks when you go up against the 10% that actually do focus fire healers, though.

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Resiel
04.23.2013 , 09:10 PM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Volxen View Post
Lol, all of these threads complaining about healers are funny. As a healer, I'm glad 90% of people in Warzones have not discovered the secret weapon that is focus fire. It sure sucks when you go up against the 10% that actually do focus fire healers, though.
Such a pile of BS. You cant focus when theres more than 1 they will survive, you cant focus a decent healer who knows how to get out of fire. these *******es saying focus fire are full of such crap. Just admit it you're Op'ed. Its fine but denying it just makes the game worse, PVP wont be fun when the only people playing are healers. PVP is only half way fun when theres a mix of classes, it wont be long before all the "i have to be best kids" switch to healers and its completely ruined.

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Tycoon
04.23.2013 , 10:28 PM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by Volxen View Post
Lol, all of these threads complaining about healers are funny. As a healer, I'm glad 90% of people in Warzones have not discovered the secret weapon that is focus fire. It sure sucks when you go up against the 10% that actually do focus fire healers, though.
So you are saying the only way to kill a healer is to overwhelm a healer with ALL of the DPS. Your right, that a good strategy.

However, I want to ask you, don't you think a class might be a little OP if it takes more then one person to kill him/her?

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Tankqull
04.23.2013 , 10:44 PM | #155
Quote: Originally Posted by Tycoon View Post
However, I want to ask you, don't you think a class might be a little OP if it takes more then one person to kill him/her?
as long as he cant kill a fly either, wich healers cant its fine. they are giving up the ability to kill anyone and gain the ability to be as difficult to be killed as possible.
fair traid from my pov.

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Cilas
04.23.2013 , 11:43 PM | #156
Sorry, but anyone that's complaining just sucks. Accept it and work on how you can improve. I'm done with this thread, way too much complaining from ppl that don't understand how group dynamics work in pvp. I pray devs don't listen to these fools
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Resiel
04.23.2013 , 11:52 PM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Cilas View Post
Sorry, but anyone that's complaining just sucks. Accept it and work on how you can improve. I'm done with this thread, way too much complaining from ppl that don't understand how group dynamics work in pvp. I pray devs don't listen to these fools

Youre right to an extent. People will adapt and people will flock to healing which was made remarkably EASY. Which will make the game very...very... boring at least as far as PvP is concerned.

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biowareftw
04.24.2013 , 12:07 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Cilas View Post
Sorry, but anyone that's complaining just sucks. Accept it and work on how you can improve. I'm done with this thread, way too much complaining from ppl that don't understand how group dynamics work in pvp. I pray devs don't listen to these fools
Enjoy this dead game.
http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/04/15/pa...ground-queues/

Now the casuals will leave. You can play ranked against eachother in a game no one cares about lol.

If you think healing was weak pre 2.0? You are either delusional or didn't play other MMO's. When 4 support classes are freakin required for ranked? That is a joke in itself. Now it is even worse.

There is no improving. You just stack the same. Only problem? When you require 2-3 healers (people will prob just bring one tank now, and a few aoe taunt classes and 4-5 healers now, since aoe healing is LOL stupid)? The game is doomed to fail as far as "e-sport".

People didn't leave one game that required 1 of 3 people be a healer, to now join a game where at least half are tanks/heals.

Sorry this game isn't fun anymore. If I have healers on my team I don't die...at all. If I have no healers I might as well leave the game. Before 2.0, you could get beat in damage/kills, but you could win...sometimes. Now? You can't even do that, unless you are playing the dumbest people on earth.

Ranked? Worst pvp I have ever played. You can hit a tank and do no damage, or a healer and do no damage. Eventually after you are bored to death in what feels like a freakin pve raid? Someone f's up, or a gigantic lag spike hits.

There is no skill here. Aoe heals this strong are stupid. Not being able to lock someone out of a heal tree on a interrupt is stupid. Immunity on a healer that has no counter (like shattering throw) is stupid. Tanks in pvp is stupid (and that is why WoW is phasing them out). No offensive dispel is stupid.

I am sorry but when you take an average player and put them on a dps class and they can do 300k, then put them on a healer and they can heal for a million? That is broken.

When you can take an average player who sucks as a dps, and put him in a tank set, and they can press a couple attacks, spam an aoe slow, and taunt (which all hybrid dps already do), and all he has to do is follow the bouncing ball (his healer)? That is broken.

Do me a favor. Google swtor pvp. Tell me who cares. No one. They took mediocre pvp and broke it further in 2.0. About the only fun this game provided was that you could solo queue and sometimes beat "ranked" teams, because the fact is most ranked teams are @%@.

There is no reason for a casual to play this game, and no reason for a gamer who wants to be noticed in high rating pvp to play this game.

Most people who play mmo's play with a friend or two. Requiring them to play heal/heal tank is the dumbest @%$^ I have ever seen.

I have seen pve guilds who used to get STEAMROLLED, now dominating games with 3 heals and a tank and they are usually !*****ty enough to queue with 2 groups at the same time.
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MotorCityMan
04.24.2013 , 12:21 AM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by lovarboy View Post
bioware, tone down healing.

Every warzone is filled up with healers because nowadays it's the amount of healers, that matters in winning or loosing a warzone.

2 healer per team are horrible, because you can't even deal enough damage to kill them ( especially if one of them is guarded ). 3 healer - don't think about killing anyone of the opponents team.

Who the hell has been in the position for the 2.0 pvp balance? It's just horrible.

The amount of mass-healing ( especially group heals & hot's ) is so overwhelming, that it's horrible. You just need one healer to defend a position against 2 dd's - run around and heal like an idiot and he will survive "eternally" until there will be enough friends to help or enemies to kill him. That can't be the sense of pvp.

A good healer right now can outheal 2 dd's - i can. And i think it's ridiculous. As soon as there are 2 / 3 healers in a team, you can't kill anybody. What's the sense of 1 healer = 2 dd's? It's laughable.

And please, don't argument with focus the healers - yeah, sure, focus 1 / 2 healer, no problem. There are dozens of ways they can protect themselves. Annoying sorcs / sages throwing shields like their crazy, barrier that makes them invulnerable until they got healed completely, guard, the ticking hot's.

It's horrible.

Scale down effective healing in pvp for roughly -30% - i don't know even if that would be enough.

Right now pvp is all about the amount of healers you got and that's just dumb.

lolololol

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Volxen
04.24.2013 , 12:50 AM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
lolololol
These threads are a blast, aren't they?