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Dark Heal VS Dark Infusion


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Okovango
04.22.2013 , 06:52 AM | #1
Healing question/clarification for all of you sorc healers out there. Like the title says, which of these is better, or at least more important. The other day me and a friend were comparing heals, and while I pretty much only use DH in emergencies, and just DI all the time, he is kinda the opposite and always does resurgence dark heal except when popping recklessness. I tried out using DH a lot more, and only really DI'ing when popping recklessness, or when the target is like between 50-80 % health, and I actually felt like I did a lot better. So was I hallucinating or which is more important?
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04.22.2013 , 07:36 AM | #2
Disclaimer: I PvP and only PvE for lols when we're bored. This is all coming from a PvP perspective.

If you're spamming Dark Heal, you'll be out of force in very short order. Particularly now, force management is what makes sorc healers' skill cap so much higher than op healers' who have absolutely no resource management issues.

Personally, I use DH sparingly - and only use it on either my top DPS or tank (in rateds) when nothing else will keep them up before I get a long cast off. I use it twice with recklessness (not always time to spend a global on Resurgence if you don't already have the buff) and then cast DI to top them off with Mental Alacrity going, then Innervate.

Very much in contrast to pre-2.0, you have to really reserve DH for the "oh ****" moments IMO.
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04.22.2013 , 08:07 AM | #3
Yeah the force issue was why I never used it before, but just to clarify I wasn't saying I put either of these above innervate, which is really really helpful with force management. I hardly ever PvP so it'll probably be kinda different perspectives, but during the fight I tried prioritizing DH over DI I felt that I had to focus a lot more on fore managment but that I was putting out more heals.
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04.22.2013 , 08:09 AM | #4
Also a lot of the time I feel like by the time my DI gets off the other healer has healed a good portion of whomever it was I was healing, so its almost like a wasted big heal.
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04.22.2013 , 08:11 AM | #5
I rarely use dark heal on my sorc as heals.
I'd say like 80% of my single target heals is innervate with the odd dark infusion when someone drops rly low. In emergencys i like to use recklessness and polarity shift then dark infusion into innervate. so op.
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FuulishOne
04.25.2013 , 10:59 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by AngusFTW View Post
I rarely use dark heal on my sorc as heals.
I'd say like 80% of my single target heals is innervate with the odd dark infusion when someone drops rly low. In emergencys i like to use recklessness and polarity shift then dark infusion into innervate. so op.
Dark Heal is in an odd place now that they've buffed it's heal by a significant amount. It all boils down to how you're chaining your abilities and your personal style (as well as the other healer in your group and their particular strengths.)

For emergencies, Polarity Shift -> Triage Adrenal -> Resurgence -> Dark Heal -> Recklessness -> Innervate -> Static Barrier.
If the target is good at this point then, self Static Barrier, consume as many times as necessary to top off, then either self Resurgence or Unnatural Preservation or talented Overload depending on my health (as well as others around me). Otherwise Resurgence on target to eat the remaining Recklessness charge. This should all fit inside the Adrenal's benefit period and Polarity Shift should drop off around the last tick of Innervate.

The Resurgence -> Dark Heal is quite compelling as with a decent surge rating/bonus heal, a crit DH will hit for around 5.5 - 6k whereas a normal DI will be around 5.8 with the same stats. Granted a crit DI will be close to 10k... but it's an emergency situation and the extra second to gain 4k more heal could mean wipe or success.

Not saying this is the best, just something I'm testing out as I'm trying to wean myself off of Dark Infusion as the goto heal. I know DH is less force efficient, but really force shouldn't be an issue if you can keep people topped off. I find force is more an issue when I'm trying to catch up due to the long cast time of DI.

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04.30.2013 , 10:49 AM | #7
Infusion + Polarity Shift = Best friend.

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bsbrad
04.30.2013 , 01:47 PM | #8
I personally dont use DH as even with the added bonus healing the cons still outweigh the pros in this case.

The main rotation should still be the same as pre-2.0, SB->Resurgence->Innervate, then you should choose cuddle puddle or consumptionx2 depending on your force management and crit success with Innervate. Rinse and repeat.

Use Polarity Shift before DI when you can to reduce it's casting time, also try to make sure Recklessness is up. DI should only be used if Innervate is on cooldown or you feel comfortable that the target of the cast wont die in the time you take to cast it.

For Operations you should always have a resolve stim on (nano-infused), I typically run with a reusable when doing dailies.

The triage adrenal and clicky relic should be used on cooldown or before a big fight.
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FuulishOne
04.30.2013 , 07:04 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by bsbrad View Post
I personally dont use DH as even with the added bonus healing the cons still outweigh the pros in this case.

The main rotation should still be the same as pre-2.0, SB->Resurgence->Innervate, then you should choose cuddle puddle or consumptionx2 depending on your force management and crit success with Innervate. Rinse and repeat.

Use Polarity Shift before DI when you can to reduce it's casting time, also try to make sure Recklessness is up. DI should only be used if Innervate is on cooldown or you feel comfortable that the target of the cast wont die in the time you take to cast it.

For Operations you should always have a resolve stim on (nano-infused), I typically run with a reusable when doing dailies.

The triage adrenal and clicky relic should be used on cooldown or before a big fight.
The only con with using Dark Heal is the force cost, and right now force really isn't an issue for Sorcs. Using Resurgence with Dark Heal will almost guarantee a 5.5 - 6k heal, whereas DI, you're lucky to get the 10k crit heal, but most of the time you'll only get the 5.2-5.6k non-crit heal (this is due to the strategy a lot of folks are adopting to go full power only and skip on crit rating, thus dropping your crit to roughly 25% or worse on DI).

I agree that main rotation should be Resurgence -> Innervate, rinse repeat as much as you can (and if you're rocking the 2 by 2 PvE bonus for 6s cooldown Innervate, then even more so). Just stating that situationally, DH isn't as bad as it used to be.

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Waspflow
05.03.2013 , 10:02 AM | #10
I role with DI all the time, it does more heals over tme with less force. I do DH when there heath is under 30% or to cap there heath. Before 2.0 I never used DH at all but since they change it, it has become more useful. (This is from a PVE view)
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