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DPS -Tactics Build and Rotation (2.0)

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DPS -Tactics Build and Rotation (2.0)

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xkellyx
04.17.2013 , 01:39 AM | #1
People have been asking for a build and a rotation for Vangaurd DPS so I wanted to write out what I have been doing. I have been rather pleased with it so far. If anyone wants to pick it apart or toss in suggestions, I am completely open to constructive criticism. As a side note this build is strictly PvE. The talent build is pretty fun in PvP but the rotation is way off.

First off, this is my build... 8/36/2


Secondly, here is my rotation (priority):

Before I start, I'll get Shoulder Cannon loaded and ready. My Opener is what I call my Burn Phase. What I try to do on my opener is weave in my Shoulder Cannon between every ability, as it doesnt respect the global cooldown and doesnt use any ammo anyway. its free damage so cram it in where you can. I feel this is more efficient then just spamming all 7 charges down.

Opener:
1) Battle Focus
2) Gut
3) Fire Pulse
4) Stockstrike
5) High Impact Bolt (HIB)
6) Ion Pulse x2 (to finish up building 3 charges of Pulse Generator)
7) Pulse Cannon (Make sure you have all 3 stacks when you use this for the full 60% bonus)

By the time you get through this burn, Bleeding is about ready to fall off, so use Gut to refresh it and then start burning through again. sometimes Stockstrike will cooldown before Fire Pulse, and that's ok... just use it as it comes.

As a side note, this build is very good on Energy Cell (Ammo) usage, but if you start getting a little low, use Reserve Powercell before Pulse Cannon as it uses the most resources in the rotation (25 Energy Cells). Then Recharge Cells if you're still hurting. Do your best to maintain 60% of your ammo.

There really isn't much to it. Pretty simple. Let me know where I can make this better. I'm all for beating stuff down harder
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bglodt
04.17.2013 , 01:17 PM | #2
First your assuming your opening up right next to someone and not gap closing.

2. Stock strike first then gut to take advantage of proc and because it does more upfront damage
3. Don't HiB until your critical procs or you could waste it
4. In the meantime ion pulse
5. You should provably hold the line before Pulse Cannon if you are fighting a class with knockback
6. You need to be firing off shoulder cannon too as it doesn't respect GCD

It might be beneficial to think of ability priorities vs ability rotations. Just my 2 cents.

Gl/hf

**edit*** just saw your shoulder cannon comment ... I use them all at once while I do IP/HiB/ss.... As fast as I can push the buttons and the animation allows lol
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xkellyx
04.17.2013 , 02:40 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by bglodt View Post
First your assuming your opening up right next to someone and not gap closing.

2. Stock strike first then gut to take advantage of proc and because it does more upfront damage
3. Don't HiB until your critical procs or you could waste it
4. In the meantime ion pulse
5. You should provably hold the line before Pulse Cannon if you are fighting a class with knockback
6. You need to be firing off shoulder cannon too as it doesn't respect GCD

It might be beneficial to think of ability priorities vs ability rotations. Just my 2 cents.

Gl/hf

**edit*** just saw your shoulder cannon comment ... I use them all at once while I do IP/HiB/ss.... As fast as I can push the buttons and the animation allows lol
2) Stockstrike first to take advantage of what proc? I use Gut First to take advantage of the tree talent Triumph which gives a 3% damage bonus to bleeding targets.
3) Are you referring to Combat Tactics? Thats the autocrit for HiB after Stockstrike

I just realized as I wrote this, I didn't clarify... This is strictly for PvE, although this build does work well in PvP. Thanks for the input though
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ChaoticDynamite
04.17.2013 , 06:02 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by bglodt View Post
First your assuming your opening up right next to someone and not gap closing.

2. Stock strike first then gut to take advantage of proc and because it does more upfront damage
3. Don't HiB until your critical procs or you could waste it
4. In the meantime ion pulse
5. You should provably hold the line before Pulse Cannon if you are fighting a class with knockback
6. You need to be firing off shoulder cannon too as it doesn't respect GCD

It might be beneficial to think of ability priorities vs ability rotations. Just my 2 cents.

Gl/hf

**edit*** just saw your shoulder cannon comment ... I use them all at once while I do IP/HiB/ss.... As fast as I can push the buttons and the animation allows lol
Use Fire Pulse before stockstrike because Fire Pulse has 100% chance to give a free stockstrike.
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JimmyTheCannon
04.18.2013 , 03:22 AM | #5
Looks like a great max DPS opener, with the caveat of starting right at the target as opposed to having to run in (which is rare unless you Harpoon him to you).

Don't forget you can use Explosive Surge to stack up your Pulse Generator between fights, so you can leave out those 2 Ion Pulses and go right into Pulse Cannon.

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bglodt
04.18.2013 , 12:00 PM | #6
Fire pulse first yes.

For me, i like Stock strike before gut because you might... 50% chance, proc auto crit HiB. I also like to open with SS (open is loosely used and i mean it as my first attack within 4 meters) because I want to use it again sooner, even 1GCD sooner, then I gut, and hopefully have an auto crit HiB now between the two.

That's for pvp though. Some people advocate for gut first for the slow (if specced into) and because if you get knocked back the bleed might proc the auto crit HiB which yiu can use from distance. I personally don't find the snare useful if you get knocked back since most KB has an immob on it... Still I like SS better because most good players don't immediately knock yiu back... They will save it for a better time, like when you pop the crit increase buff... Then try to distance/Los you till it's gone. I will say though most "good VGs" that play tactics will gut before SS to start the ticking and open up for HiBs... I just think SS hits so hard you want as many as possible... As soon as possible... Even meaning loosing the extra 6% damage on the initial strike.

Sigh... I feel like I just talked myself into conforming... Eff that... SS at 4 meters first!
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Keypek
04.18.2013 , 12:15 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by bglodt View Post
Fire pulse first yes.

For me, i like Stock strike before gut because you might... 50% chance, proc auto crit HiB. I also like to open with SS (open is loosely used and i mean it as my first attack within 4 meters) because I want to use it again sooner, even 1GCD sooner, then I gut, and hopefully have an auto crit HiB now between the two.

That's for pvp though. Some people advocate for gut first for the slow (if specced into) and because if you get knocked back the bleed might proc the auto crit HiB which yiu can use from distance. I personally don't find the snare useful if you get knocked back since most KB has an immob on it... Still I like SS better because most good players don't immediately knock yiu back... They will save it for a better time, like when you pop the crit increase buff... Then try to distance/Los you till it's gone. I will say though most "good VGs" that play tactics will gut before SS to start the ticking and open up for HiBs... I just think SS hits so hard you want as many as possible... As soon as possible... Even meaning loosing the extra 6% damage on the initial strike.

Sigh... I feel like I just talked myself into conforming... Eff that... SS at 4 meters first!
Kinda confused by some of what you say. SS has a 100% chance to proc auto crit for HiB not 50%. And most reasons you use gut first is because it's a 15 second DoT so the earlier you use it the more damage you get out of it if the target dies under 15 seconds.... snare helps also if pvp'in. Ideally if you are running to the target you fire pulse to get its long CD ticking and free SS up once you hit 10m range... then gut when in 4m range next... then free SS... then auto crit HiB. By the time you go through the coupld ion pulses and pulse cannon your SS will be back up (hopefully with another freebie from two ion pulses before). rinse and repeat as available.
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bglodt
04.18.2013 , 02:32 PM | #8
Mia culpe on the HiB crit.

Still when I'm closing in pvp it's sticky, FP, SS... To get both cooldowns going and get a meh burst. Gut is a good skill, it's just not my first 4m skill. If they blow a def cd that early before I can get a gut off its not going to end well for them.

Tactics doesn't have a whoe ton of on demand burst, and I find by starting like that I get some initial punch, as everything else takes prep time, ie gut before HiB and 2 more IPs before PC. Just saying for pvp... I like the back to back pops of those three to start.
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smellmop
04.22.2013 , 02:24 PM | #9
anyone have any parse numbers for this build?....or should I just stick with my slinger for dps and relegate my van to a pve tank?
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xkellyx
04.23.2013 , 04:48 PM | #10
I'm going to get some parse numbers going here soon. I ran some preliminary parses and ill be honest, it's looking a little sloppy at first glance. My first parses were running about 1600. However, keep a few things in mind...

1) My gear wasn't optimized properly yet
2) My gear item average was about 155
3) Items that don't reflect my average item lvl (ear, implant, relics, etc) still need work. After looking at my relics, I noticed pvp pieces (huh?) and so on, I see that I see a lot of room for work to be done.
4) NONE of my gear has been augmented.

All that said I have to say Thank You!! This is really helping my get my character to be optimized better.

Bottom line: parse of 1600 doesn't look impressive at all, however there is a LOT of room for improvement. As I get better geared and start running more parses and taking into acct any tips I may get from this or other threads, I'll keep adding and updating. If I could get more vanguards out there to start running this spec or others, we can start getting this class off the ground. I see a lot of people complaining that our class has been nerfed. M not saying this is unjustified, but perhaps it's too early to tell. Lets do our homework and see what we can bring to the surface. I love my van and I'm not going to shelf him anytime soon till I've picked at him from all angles.
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