2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.

I still don't see the problem. I'm using the same tactics I learnt between levels 15-30, when I did these FPs on sm, when I levelled my first character and for 30 of minutes of play, I get commendations and with luck a piece or two of ops level gear.

I'm actually getting irritated by the lack of tanks, I don't mind tanking once in a while, but seriously I don't like how the only way you can get in a group quickly these days is to tank...

Im a tank on my server run the New flash points all day long I think they are fun and super easy. I like hard carrying undergeared people cause in the end 2 pieces of 69 purple modded gear drops. The better geared randoms get the easier it will be in the long run.

Also a great way to min max your gear. I hardly ever die or wipe so repairs are small and the payout is fine.

Took less than two weeks to get a full set of Elite from pugging these, the 55 HM Flashpoints are fine.

This has been my experience as well.

It seems to me the people struggling and complaining are trying to blind-bash the encounter. HMs have specific mechanics to them.... just like instances in most MMOs. If you fail to know the mechanics and actually work the mechanics.. you are doomed.

Yeah, I can see your argument. I have no issue with what you're saying.

I agree the 55 HMs give too poor loot. There is basically no chance for any of the minibosses to drop anything useful for a group that can do them - the blue gear is a joke.

That said, they are not that hard, but they are quite time consuming, so there should be a decent payoff. personally I think 1 exotic stabilizer thingy is too little. The old HMs dropped 1 crafting component too, but that was when crafting decent items actually only TOOK one of them - now anything good takes 4.

Also, I've been doing these with guild groups which make them quite easy - but once or twice I've used group finder for random groups and we have wiped a lot. Considering repair costs now, they are really not for pickup groups and that is just ... fail, for something that is supposed to be entry level endgame content.

1 ) the elite tokens give u better gear, if u do 1 week of fp's u can buy one 1 piece of good gear ... fair enough i guess
2) learn 2 play, the heat beam u talk about can be cleansed, if ur healer doenst cleanse it then its not our problem ... not evrything has to be piss easy, sometimes u even have to use ur brain while doing something
3) this is total ********, i'm full arkanian now on my tank. when my gear is fully at 0% (thats at least 5-6 wipes) then i have 35k repair costs
4) again : not evrything has to be thrown in ur lap, do some effort for it

The patch altered shield/absorb to mitigate more damage. Damage reduction is about the same. Defense is lower but with the increase to shield/absorb effectiveness it is pretty much a wash.

The mobs in these HM 55 fps do hit very hard. The pulls require the tank to taunt and hold multiple mobs (even with CCs) and as result eat a lot of damage. This means that healers have to be ready at the start of pulls to pour on the heals, bubble, etc. As result DPS need to focus their attacks to ensure they don't pull a mob. They also need to use their stuns and interrupts as often as possible. For tanks it means we are using our defensive cool downs on these pulls (several per FP). I am using them liberally and on cool down if need be. It is a big change from pre-2.0 when I never needed to use them outside of OPs bosses.

They are a challenge yes. My usual group started in our 61-63 gear with a bit of Basic thrown in. It took a bit to remember the pulls, extra spawns and tactics. We CC'd everything we could to make the fights more manageable. There were wipes but we fine tuned our tactics. Wipes are rare now (though a certain pull on Mando is easy to screw up). As gear has improved we are speeding up our runs and the boss are more an issue for the boredom involved in burning down their massive health pools than any real risk of dying.

As we switch to alts we are finding the 61-63 gear to be a minor issue as it is the tactics that are keeping us alive more than anything. Sure tank takes a beating but that is managed and we progress.

Yup, the hardmode FPs are rubbish and the level 50s ops are gone from GF when u hit 55. I've been kicked from the 2 level 55 ops because nobody wants to wipe and i've no time to get a group to do ops. They need to fix the entire group finder layout soon.