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2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.

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2.0 Hardmode Flashpoints are not worth the payout.

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Jeweledleah
04.16.2013 , 03:48 PM | #131
I have a question.

did I understand correctly that bosses drop non moddable gear (not lvl 55 yet, so haven't seen personally)? meaning that even if its an upgrade, you are essentially sacrificing the look you want for minor increase in stats?

wouldn't it be better if at least the loot that dropped was moddable, so even if its the same level, at least you could rip the mods out?

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MillionsKNives
04.16.2013 , 03:50 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I have a question.

did I understand correctly that bosses drop non moddable gear (not lvl 55 yet, so haven't seen personally)? meaning that even if its an upgrade, you are essentially sacrificing the look you want for minor increase in stats?

wouldn't it be better if at least the loot that dropped was moddable, so even if its the same level, at least you could rip the mods out?
I don't think I've seen any non-moddable pieces drop from the 55 HMs.

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Lostpenguins
04.16.2013 , 03:54 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
thank you king troll
Explain how I'm trolling? You're just getting upset because you aren't very good at this game, but make no effort to improve.

You're like the Luke Walton of NBA asking them to change the rules just cuz you can't score.

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Lostpenguins
04.16.2013 , 03:55 PM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I have a question.

did I understand correctly that bosses drop non moddable gear (not lvl 55 yet, so haven't seen personally)? meaning that even if its an upgrade, you are essentially sacrificing the look you want for minor increase in stats?

wouldn't it be better if at least the loot that dropped was moddable, so even if its the same level, at least you could rip the mods out?
Yeah, it's moddable lvl 69 gear. It's just not set pieces.

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Khevar
04.16.2013 , 03:55 PM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
wow so many troll responses,
so lets sum up the troll responses, its too easy for me, everyone but me sucks, every boss drops awsome gear, and repair costs are not what i have said they are.Well i am not a hardcore super no life mmo troll. ...
Tell me this, and I'd like an honest response:
Why aren't you posting questions asking for advice, tips or help?
Why don't you consider this a valid approach to this problem?

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Jeweledleah
04.16.2013 , 03:59 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Yeah, it's moddable lvl 69 gear. It's just not set pieces.
ah. in that case its not that bad. it would be nice if last boss dropped some of the set pieces though, ala 50hm flashpoints.

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Levity
04.16.2013 , 04:02 PM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
wow so many troll responses,
so lets sum up the troll responses, its too easy for me, everyone but me sucks, every boss drops awsome gear, and repair costs are not what i have said they are. Well i am not a hardcore super no life mmo troll. so if you dont think things are too hard and the payouts are awsome great for you. Now for the normal player that has a life. repair costs are high, the bosses dropping blue level 53 items are not at all acceptable. The fact that you get 1 purple drop and it is NOT a token makes these feel like a waste of effort and time. People are doing these in black hole gear because like so many special people here belive they are too good for any difficulty level so they could never be the problem. yet tanks are paying the price in repairs due to over agro poor healing and undergeared players. i do not blame the undergeared players because that is why you do flashpoints is to get better gear. I love the its a hardmode statements maybe you have not noticed THEY DID NOT ADD A SINGLE NON HARDMODE LEVEL 55 FLASHPOINT.

Overall many here are missing the point IT IS NOT FUN to spend hours on flashpoints and come out of this with a loss. yes you get 2 whole tokens per boss, but the gear cost 80-140 per item. For those who have math issues that means i have to run these many many many times for gear. But if it is not FUN then what is the motivation to do it?

BTW thank you to all the possitive feedback, At least most agree drops should be better and tokens and repair costs are high.
So I'm glad positive feedback to you means "everyone who agrees with me." Haha. Man so lame. And hmmm they already had the the normal mode versions of the FPs so it would be redundant to add another normal mode version. And plenty of people are saying they are clearing these HMs with little to no whipes in PUGs.... So what if people don't agree with you. Oh and it is TWO pieces of gear per FP. Do the bonus sometime. And people are NOT missing the point. They realize your opinion of fun is just rolling over content with little to no effort. Guess what? Games are meant to be challenging. I'm tired of entitled attitudes. "I can't play a lot so everything should be catered to me." Stop playing if you can't put in the time to pay a measly 23k for a repair. Even a measly 100k for a repair. These games require some time of time and effort to acquire the things to keep your character afloat, get over it or don't play.

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Jilisipone
04.17.2013 , 07:44 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
wow so many troll responses,
so lets sum up the troll responses, its too easy for me, everyone but me sucks, every boss drops awsome gear, and repair costs are not what i have said they are. Well i am not a hardcore super no life mmo troll. so if you dont think things are too hard and the payouts are awsome great for you. Now for the normal player that has a life. repair costs are high, the bosses dropping blue level 53 items are not at all acceptable. The fact that you get 1 purple drop and it is NOT a token makes these feel like a waste of effort and time. People are doing these in black hole gear because like so many special people here belive they are too good for any difficulty level so they could never be the problem. yet tanks are paying the price in repairs due to over agro poor healing and undergeared players. i do not blame the undergeared players because that is why you do flashpoints is to get better gear. I love the its a hardmode statements maybe you have not noticed THEY DID NOT ADD A SINGLE NON HARDMODE LEVEL 55 FLASHPOINT.

Overall many here are missing the point IT IS NOT FUN to spend hours on flashpoints and come out of this with a loss. yes you get 2 whole tokens per boss, but the gear cost 80-140 per item. For those who have math issues that means i have to run these many many many times for gear. But if it is not FUN then what is the motivation to do it?

BTW thank you to all the possitive feedback, At least most agree drops should be better and tokens and repair costs are high.
There is absolutely no reason that people should be doing the level 55 HardModes in less than Black Hole gear. From the time you hit level 50 you can do level 50 StoryMode and HardMode Flashpoints and faceroll them and earn Black Hole gear. Heck, at level 55 the level 50 StoryMode flashpoints are soloable as well as HardMode Black Talon. If you have trouble soloing them...they are easily done with two players and two companions without any issue at all.

If you expect to finish questing on Makeb and jump straight into level 55 HardModes wearing blues and greens, the problem is YOU and not the difficulty of the zones.

It costs approximately 5k credits per wipe to repair (and I'm a tank in all 61+ epic gear). Even when running with a PuG in appropriate gear, we rarely wipe because I've learned the mechanics and explain them to anyone not familiar with them. Are there some tense moments in the runs, yes; because these HardModes are tuned like they should be and not like the faceroll HardModes of level 50 past. However, if everyone follows the mechanics, works together, and doesn't break CCs then things generally go really well.

The only part of this argument that I actually agree with is that I don't like that the bosses drop actual Black Market pieces instead of tokens. I can't tell how many times I've seen DPS Aim/Endurance gear drop when I'm the only Bounty Hunter and I'm a tank. That gear is mostly wasted in my bags for the one time every 2-3 months I get to switch to DPS for a week or two for guild runs. I think they need to go back to dropping the class based tokens that can be turned in instead of the current system.

Its annoying yes, but it's not game-breaking. It just means I have to farm more to get my gear. And calling anyone that doesn't agree with you a troll completely invalidates any debatable arguments you made.

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Thundergulch
04.17.2013 , 07:54 AM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Irawratih View Post
wow so many troll responses,
so lets sum up the troll responses, its too easy for me, everyone but me sucks, every boss drops awsome gear, and repair costs are not what i have said they are. Well i am not a hardcore super no life mmo troll. so if you dont think things are too hard and the payouts are awsome great for you. Now for the normal player that has a life. repair costs are high, the bosses dropping blue level 53 items are not at all acceptable. The fact that you get 1 purple drop and it is NOT a token makes these feel like a waste of effort and time. People are doing these in black hole gear because like so many special people here belive they are too good for any difficulty level so they could never be the problem. yet tanks are paying the price in repairs due to over agro poor healing and undergeared players. i do not blame the undergeared players because that is why you do flashpoints is to get better gear. I love the its a hardmode statements maybe you have not noticed THEY DID NOT ADD A SINGLE NON HARDMODE LEVEL 55 FLASHPOINT.

Overall many here are missing the point IT IS NOT FUN to spend hours on flashpoints and come out of this with a loss. yes you get 2 whole tokens per boss, but the gear cost 80-140 per item. For those who have math issues that means i have to run these many many many times for gear. But if it is not FUN then what is the motivation to do it?

BTW thank you to all the possitive feedback, At least most agree drops should be better and tokens and repair costs are high.
Bolded in red for truth, because there is NO WAY you are paying 23k per death. So stop lying.
also, Black Hole gear rains from the sky, it's not hard to get it.

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Thundergulch
04.17.2013 , 07:56 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Explain how I'm trolling? You're just getting upset because you aren't very good at this game, but make no effort to improve.

You're like the Luke Walton of NBA asking them to change the rules just cuz you can't score.
You're not trolling, nor am I or a lot of others.