Why rise of the Hutt Cartel is a failure

Ask your average person what Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed or Bioshock: Infinite is. You can't compare tv shows and movies with games - different things in different markets. There isn't just "one market". And asking someone if they've paid $15 to see a movie or sat for 30 mins to watch a show does not at all equate to someone buying a computer, buying and installing a game, and paying a subscriber fee.

You're arguments don't go anywhere expect down some spiral of nothingness. Please, I implore you, go back to talking about how the CM = P2W.

I already pointed out how ToR does this too. There are minor deviations in the questing path, but you still end up at the same spot. So, what's your point?

I think what BW should have done is have your choices define your character, not the story. You routinely pick the smart *** responses and your character only gets the smart *** choices. The replayability would come from seeing different responses and not in getting different emails with 20 credit rewards from different NPC`s. This would be more along the lines of traditional RP where the player defines the character but the DM defines the story.

Have you even played GW2? It is very very different to how SWTOR does it, and it is done better. I just feel swtor should be looking at that and using it to improve on what they already have. Rather than just getting a slightly different email with basically the same reward in each.

Right. Thanks for agreeing with me once more.

There is a mass market in the general population that knows zilch about any MMO`s. That mass market is in the billions.

There is a mass market among console video gamers who know zilch about PC games and MMO`s. That mass market is in the millions.

And there is a mass market of MMO players who know the average time to get SoW at the gates of Freeport. That mass market is in the hundreds of thousands.

So yes, if you are saying TOR is a mass market game in the sense that most MMO players will know what it is, you are correct. If you are saying that TOR is a mass market game in the sense that it appeals to the population at large, you are sorely mistaken. No MMO has any chance of clicking with either of those first two mass markets. They simply have no interest in it at all.

I don't care that you like the game. My point is in bringing into question this overly dramatic DOOMSAYER POST AND TITLE.

I'm sorry you're the one that is standing in the firing line for this one, but you had plenty of opportunities to cut back on the "FAILURE" terminology and temper your writing as something on a subject you were just becoming familiar with. Yet you just wanted to go full bore, throw out the keywords and buzzwords, and make yourself known.

And if you decided to call this a "Failure" just to get peoples' attention, then this little fiasco has been far worse than I ever thought. It was a $9.99 expansion. How many hours did you expect to get out of it?

And some mass-market is in relation to that market. WoW would be a mass-market game based on the gaming market, as it is the best selling game out there. Mass-market is in relation to that market in most economic theories today, as long as the market is big enough. Calling embroidered camel saddles mass market would be kinda overkill, but a game can be mass market cause that market is big. And you would be surprised to find out how many folk know about WoW, even if they have never played it, WoW is featured on a number of hit shows, Big Bang Theory, NCIS, as well as referenced in movies, and in some cases celebrities talk about playing it. Hell, my father, who knows nothing about computer games, knows about WoW, cause its mentioned often in NCIS. But this is becoming a serious thread derailment. Definitions on the net are a dime-a-dozen, and have become like opinions and ***holes, everyone's got their own.

are you reading a word I am writing? Really? Because I have said so many times, the title was just to get peoples attention, I have stated this several times, and you refuse to listen to that. I am not a doomsayer, swtor has a healthy future, I just said I was disappointed and I gave well laid out reasons as to why. I am not going to respond now until you actually read my posts and make a real counter argument rather than fanboying.

Like I said, you make your choices at the beginning, and you really don't a lot of actual choices after that. It's not really dynamic. It's not better than swtor, but more power to you if you enjoy it more.

This is kind of how I was feeling about it: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/foru...Personal-Story

I guess we both just expect different things from our personal story, and I respect your opinion I guess we can agree to disagree about this. I just wanted to post my opinion and get other peoples opinions.

I don't think SWTOR is a failure, just saying that, but it failed to reach my expectations, which were very high with this being bioware.

They title saids the expansion was a failure, that is only a title, used to grab peoples attention so that they read the post. But clearly too many people haven't read a word I have wrote.