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Is the Empire really driven that far back?

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Is the Empire really driven that far back?

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Beniboybling
04.15.2013 , 04:24 AM | #31
Also the Empire ensured that the Republic wasted resources on Hoth... still the Empire has made far larger losses. But its not to late to turn things around. We need Isotope-5!

P.S. Don't spolier me on that or anything, still haven't finished the story yet.

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ReiKai
04.15.2013 , 04:38 AM | #32
I haven't even touched Makeb yet (still doin some other stuff for fun first). But the way I see it, it'll be rather hard on the Republic. It's like "Citizens! We're gonna win the war! The Empire is driven back! All we need is one good push an-" "This just in! The Republic Senate has been lying to its citizens for years! The Cathar are in an uproar! A Jedi in the Republic SIS got hundreds killed trying to settle a grudge match with a Sith! And they spent trillions building Doomsday Weapons that were stolen and used to kill billions!"

*the Republic Senate stares with mouths agape*

*an angry mob storms the senate building*

*The Imperial Agent walks away after 'delivering' this intel and whistling a jaunty tune*
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Beniboybling
04.15.2013 , 05:02 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by ReiKai View Post
I haven't even touched Makeb yet (still doin some other stuff for fun first). But the way I see it, it'll be rather hard on the Republic. It's like "Citizens! We're gonna win the war! The Empire is driven back! All we need is one good push an-" "This just in! The Republic Senate has been lying to its citizens for years! The Cathar are in an uproar! A Jedi in the Republic SIS got hundreds killed trying to settle a grudge match with a Sith! And they spent trillions building Doomsday Weapons that were stolen and used to kill billions!"

*the Republic Senate stares with mouths agape*

*an angry mob storms the senate building*

*The Imperial Agent walks away after 'delivering' this intel and whistling a jaunty tune*
I laughed so hard.

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Kampori
04.15.2013 , 07:55 AM | #34
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Would LOVE to know that as well.

Reminds me of some old discussions I used to have with people, when KoToR 2 and the original Mass Effect came out. For some reason, some people immediately assume that their vision is the canon one. :\
How is it not canon? Well, how are you going to explain in-game when for the majority of people, the Empire is fine, and for a minority of agents, the Empire has been incinerated under Eradicator fire, and Jadus now 'rules' the Empire? it's a pretty huge 'out-there' option, which for the life of me I can't see how it could possibly work.

And excuse me? You're putting words right in my... keyboard? I never said mine was canon, did I? huh, DID I? No.

But anyway that's beside the point. We're discussing why the Empire's on the backfoot, not which story options are canon for the Agent. back on topic in 3, 2, 1
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Beniboybling
04.15.2013 , 08:23 AM | #35
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back on topic in 3, 2, 1
...let's face it, the Empire are going to lose this war, eventually.

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ReiKai
04.15.2013 , 10:11 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
...let's face it, the Empire are going to lose this war, eventually.
That may not entirely be true. We have had some hints from TCW. Mace and other Jedi had talked about things that haven't been seen or used since "The fall of the Old Republic".
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Beniboybling
04.15.2013 , 10:44 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by ReiKai View Post
That may not entirely be true. We have had some hints from TCW. Mace and other Jedi had talked about things that haven't been seen or used since "The fall of the Old Republic".
Really? Interesting, I don't recall that explicitly but I do recall what Sidious said that "once more the Sith shall rule the galaxy!" Now I'm aware that Lucas wasn't referring to much in particular, just a vague period when the Sith were in charge. However he could be referring to Darth Ruin's Empire, as that was a Lucas creation, and was very large. But again vague, BioWare could easily make it out that this was the Empire that ruled the galaxy.

But again, we are losing pretty badly...

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ReiKai
04.15.2013 , 10:53 AM | #38
But it's like any game of Sabaac. You could be losing pretty damn hard...and just then...*Bam* the one card that dropkicks all the others, and you win the whole pot.. It's certainly possible. There is no telling how the story will play out. There may even be a point in the war where both sides must hold a ceasefire to deal with a more immediate threat to both of them. Like the Dread Masters and the Cthulhu lookin thing from TFB.
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Lazengan
04.15.2013 , 11:06 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Kampori View Post
Coming from someone with 8 Imperial 50s, all LS V, you couldn't speak to a more loyal and patriotic Imperial :P
So I know just how badly the current situation sucks. And with the new lead writer being the writer who did the JK story (very mediocre at best) it's not looking hopeful for us.

However, it is all explained. (I have 2 republic toons I'm leveling, a JK at 43 and a JC at 30).

OBVIOUSLY SPOILERS BELOW, READ AT PERIL

Due to massive Imperial disorganisation, huge amounts of petty and stupid Sith in-fighting, the Star Cabal & Republic determination to wipe the Empire out, we don't really stand a chance. As Darth Marr says himself during the opening convo on Makeb, he says to my Warrior and my Inquisitor that if the Sith (predominantly -us- being the most powerful and/or influential sith in the empire) don't start working together in solidarity, honour and patriotism we are doomed. The Sith (majority of them) care about nothing else but power, and themselves. They are a blight on the name of sith and should be exterminated (thanks Bane).

Anyway, I ramble.

Empire wins Balmorra, a HUGE bonus for us. But short-lived. The Republic soon takes it back, gaining them and losing us some of the most powerful droid & weapon factories in galaxy. And we also lose Corellia (a small victory to begin with, seeing as it cost us 1/10 of our entire force, a ridiculously huge loss)- did you not play the Black Hole (Corellia bonus series) daily zone? It's kind of the point of it. We lost Corellia, and in a last-ditch effort before we retreat the planet, a small strike team are sent there (with you leading them) to destroy all infrastructure on Corellia, making it a barren, empty, worthless planet which is a drain on the Republic instead of a gain. (also being the founding planet OF the Republic its a moral loss). However, it's still a loss for us.

And as you said, Malgus' betrayal, the loss of another huge swathe of our Fleet (if Empire cannon really is DS, which is lame, then in FE flashpoint the DS option to kill Arkus costs us our fleet, again. Whereas LS saves it...)
And the Dread Masters, like republic getting a destroyed Corellia, its a huge morale loss for us. Dread Masters were one of most powerful weapons we had, and they just buggered off, and are attacking us. YAY!

Also, as is announced on Makeb (whether it's true or not), the Republic formally announces the Emperor's 'death'. a MASSIVE win for the Republic (symbolic win if nothing else).

The Bounty Hunter kills the Republic's Supreme Chancellor. Seems like a win for us, however all that does is bring in the new chick into power, and she is MUCH better, more efficient and war-mongering than her predecessor. All this does is make the Republic sharpen its teeth and claws.

As for Ilum, not a huge loss for Republic. By that time, Jaeric is old and worn-out.

Let's not forget (but connected to Dread Guards) EC- lots of Imperial troops defect and are killed, by us.

Then of course comes the Star Cabal (Imperial Agent story). a massive secret organisation who plays the Galaxy to their own needs. They puppeted the entire war, and play Republic and Empire for fools. They cause the disbanding of Imperial Intelligence - this is ultimately one of the biggest losses the Empire suffers. Imperial Intelligence is the number 1 advantage the Empire has over the Republic. Intelligence is an absolutely superb ministry of spies and assassins, and this is proven that once it is disbanded, the Republic SIS and army gains their biggest victories against us, and we have NO idea what is going or or how to stop it. The Empire crumbles without Intelligence.

Sure there's loads more, but I'm too eager to start playing, so I'm gonna stop writing :P

EDIT- how could I forget about Class stories? lol

Anyway: All Imperial class story final bosses (except Bounty Hunter, but explained above ^) are Sith.. it's *********** ridiculous. All Republic final bosses, are Sith. It's just SO not fair.
Sith Warrior- kills Darth Baras, genius behind the Sacking of Coruscant and the instigator of the Second Great Galactic War (the one we're in now). Ultimately, a pretty big loss... Baras being one of the cleverest Sith around.
Sith Inquisitor- kills Darth Thanaton, another loss for the Empire. Another clever and powerful Sith, traditional, honourable. The reason for his death is also pretty lame, he made a terrible arch-enemy. pointless
Imperial Agent- Act 1- Kills Darth Jadus (for fair reason, but its still an insanely powerful, clever, and logical Sith) and well, Hunter and the Star Cabal, fair enough. but still not anti-Republic. So.. for ALL of our classes, not once of us makes any big impact on the Republic.

However, the Republic is the exact opposite. All we (majority of crappy sith) care about is killing each other, all the Republic cares about is killing us.
Because in the end this Empire loses. They disappear for 2 thousand years followed by peace and then war with Darth Ruin's Sith Empire, which ends with the destruction of all Sith and establishment of rule of 2

The stories in this era are just telling you why the empire lost. This sith empire is destroyed and perhaps even absorbed into the republic.

I clearly remember reading Darth Bane Path of Destruction & Rule of two. This was the main theme between jedi vs sith. The Republic always works together to fight the Empire, while the Sith Empire is always plagued by constant infighting because of the nature of sith. Darth Bane realized this and established the rule of two to ensure that the Sith philosophy is compatible with their goals

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ReiKai
04.15.2013 , 11:29 AM | #40
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Because in the end this Empire loses. They disappear for 2 thousand years followed by peace and then war with Darth Ruin's Sith Empire, which ends with the destruction of all Sith and establishment of rule of 2

The stories in this era are just telling you why the empire lost. This sith empire is destroyed and perhaps even absorbed into the republic.

I clearly remember reading Darth Bane Path of Destruction & Rule of two. This was the main theme between jedi vs sith. The Republic always works together to fight the Empire, while the Sith Empire is always plagued by constant infighting because of the nature of sith. Darth Bane realized this and established the rule of two to ensure that the Sith philosophy is compatible with their goals
The end of the Sith was when Ka'an was killed on Ruusan with the Brotherhood of Darkness. About a century before that was Knight Errant and the Republic was at war with a conglomerate of Sith Lords (a number of them family members fighting amongst themselves) and the galaxy was split again, the Republic erased coordinates of hyperspace routes so these Sith couldn't follow them back to Republic space and were stranded to fight each other. Darth Ruin may have been before this, but everything is up in the air right now.
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