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Achievement system is a mess

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Achievement system is a mess
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Elear
04.11.2013 , 12:05 PM | #1
This is pretty much only new content for people not in early access, and it's state is, well, bad. Numerous bugs and some design decisions make wonder if achievements were tested at all internaly(I know of changes made due to testing, so probably were). Let's take a look at some issues:

- space achievements are full of unobtainable objectives. Some might be not obvious, sounding like something that could be actuall bonus objective in that mission. But I have no idea how all those doubled objectives with "OLD" added passed trough testing.
- on Tython there is achievement for flesh raiders that on pts didn't count kills for second and third rank of it untill earlier ranks were completed. Now ranks 2 and 3 work fine, but rank 1 doesn't work at all.
- another one on Tython, Tentarek codex entry that many many people didn't get.
- yet another on Tython, about killing training droids. Would be cool achievements, if it was actually doable on old character. If player already has all character slots taken, he's out of luck for this one.
- next planet, Alderaan. There is achievement for killing armed Nerf, but it's part of area quest. Apparently that area quest also isn't repeatable.
- while I was there I also done some quests, killed some elite Killiks. Before leaving planet, I browsed trough all achievemnts that sould have some progress, and none of those related to Killiks were updated.
- landing on Balmorra, I noticed that despite completing whole Consular storyline, his related quest on Balmorra wasn't showing as completed.

Saw on forum threads related to affection not triggering related achievement, about some pvp achievements not working, Some totals not matching up are expected to be hidden achievements.

Anyway, there is no point in complaining about that, we won't gain anything from that. Question here is, what are we, players, supposed to do about that? Wait unti issue just goes away on it's own> Report each and every issue separately? What about issues that are not bugs in standard meaning, but things like something being part of quest and thus unavaible to people that already completed that quest?

I mean, really, achievments are great and all, but what should we do when encountering those numerous issues? Create separate thread for each one? Create thousands of bug reports(each player 10-20 reports each) for them? Do nothing and just hope they will get resolved in some magic patch? BW please, tell us what to do.

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Ksinn
04.11.2013 , 12:47 PM | #2
I found out most of issues you mentioned, but this one works fine.
Quote: Originally Posted by Elear View Post
- on Tython there is achievement for flesh raiders that on pts didn't count kills for second and third rank of it untill earlier ranks were completed. Now ranks 2 and 3 work fine, but rank 1 doesn't work at all.
Take a look at tooltips. They need to be killed in specific areas. Works fine. Done it today.

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04.11.2013 , 03:41 PM | #3 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Hi Elear!

We are aware that there are instances where Achievements are bugged in one way or another. We are investigating them as quickly as possible, and as we get confirmations that something is global, I will update them to the Known Issues list. (I added five new ones today.)

In addition to these, we're currently investigating reports associated with Classes, and Planets, boss encounters in some Flashpoints and Operations. Some instances of lacking unlocks are unique to an account, so we are trying to ensure that we're thorough and that what we list is broken for everyone.

For now, I've moved the Legacy Achievements section to the very top of the Known Issues for you to check on the ones that we know for sure are broken. Please note that we're not adding every single Achievement bug to this list, but most of them will end up here once confirmed.
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Elear
04.11.2013 , 03:43 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Ksinn View Post
I found out most of issues you mentioned, but this one works fine.

Take a look at tooltips. They need to be killed in specific areas. Works fine. Done it today.
Odd, but you're right. I simply assumed that since they are linked into chain, they all have same requirements.

Still, it's not as much about listing issues(altough this is good too), but about getting a reply how should we report all those issues, because their numbers could easly overwhelm bug reports system if we were to use it for each achievement with issues.

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Transcendent
04.11.2013 , 04:11 PM | #5
The only thing i want from the new achievements, is the ability to turn off notifications.

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MichelvanMeerten
04.11.2013 , 04:15 PM | #6
My personal pet peeve is that its super annoying to navigate. The achievement section should be bigger. It's scaled to small. I nearly have to put my nose on my monitor to be able read it. Bigger text font would be nice too. Scalable windows would be nice too. I persoanlly felt that the way WoW handled the achievements and displayed them was spot on.

You pretty much need near perfect eyes to be able to read it.

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arunav
04.11.2013 , 04:44 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
The only thing i want from the new achievements, is the ability to turn off notifications.
Exactly! Why isn't there a UI option to turn the notifications off?

I know they game doesn't have the team it used to, but the achievement notifications look terrible graphically.

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BJWyler
04.11.2013 , 04:53 PM | #8
I think the Wingmaw needs to be added to the Beastmaster Achievement for Tython in addition to the Terentatek. I just went through Tython today to try to complete it since I have already rolled my Jedis, and these are the only two I were not able to get (they are the known bugged codex entries according to swtor-spy).
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04.11.2013 , 05:06 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by AmberGreen View Post
Hi Elear!

We are aware that there are instances where Achievements are bugged in one way or another. We are investigating them as quickly as possible, and as we get confirmations that something is global, I will update them to the Known Issues list. (I added five new ones today.)

In addition to these, we're currently investigating reports associated with Classes, and Planets, boss encounters in some Flashpoints and Operations. Some instances of lacking unlocks are unique to an account, so we are trying to ensure that we're thorough and that what we list is broken for everyone.

For now, I've moved the Legacy Achievements section to the very top of the Known Issues for you to check on the ones that we know for sure are broken. Please note that we're not adding every single Achievement bug to this list, but most of them will end up here once confirmed.
Add Jarg & Sorno in all 8-man difficulties to that list.
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04.11.2013 , 05:11 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Transcendent View Post
The only thing i want from the new achievements, is the ability to turn off notifications.
This. I don't really care for achievements. It's been done, and I'd rather see TOR have something unique and, well, less annoying/tedious. At the very least, maybe be sparing with them as opposed to "Killed a bunch of weak droids. Achievement!"
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