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I love the new Trick Shot!


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emidas
04.12.2013 , 11:37 AM | #11
Just a follow up, I tried your opening in several hm's last night and actually found it more to my liking. I still pop BV (as the above poster stated) in there somewhere but otherwise use that now, as it flows very well.
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adezero
04.26.2013 , 06:18 PM | #12
I hate it.

They made the new rotation too simplistic and you never run out of energy. there is no bonus for being a good player (energy management). used to be great, i have trickshot up every 6 seconds, now you have it up every 3 seconds and it's boring. You barely have any time for charged burst, and you're supposed to do it twice before and aimed shot?

The spec is dead to me, gotta go DF now.

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
04.30.2013 , 12:48 PM | #13
Dont listen to the guy above me. I love the new SS.

Ive even figured out a good rotation (I think)

CB > TS > CB > AS > TS > CB > TS > SS > TS > CB

Though for that rotation to work properly you need to be atleast level 36 (2 points in Recoil Control and actualy having Speed Shot)

The one bad thing though is Burst Volley got nerfed so hard its now useless... It was useless in Pre 2.0 but now its not even worth the 1 point. Ideal SS build is http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#70...MkRrfkdZrcZM.3 If your not running that build as a pure SS then your an idiot.

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namesaretough
04.30.2013 , 01:39 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
Ideal SS build is http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#70...MkRrfkdZrcZM.3 If your not running that build as a pure SS then your an idiot.
I can't figure out if that's supposed to be a PvP spec (it's not a good one) or a PvE spec (...it's not good for that either).

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namesaretough
04.30.2013 , 02:14 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by ezrafetch View Post
I also don't think you always HAVE to use Charged Burst sequentially. Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Charged Burst >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot, Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Speed Shot >> Trickshot >> Charged Burst >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot are examples of cases where you want to spread them out to maximize Trickshots. The Smoking Barrels proc lasts a dang long time so you can always spread out the Charged Bursts: since Charged Burst is much lower on your priority than Trickshot, if you leave a Smoking Barrels proc unspent it's not a loss. Basically what I'm trying to say is that you only do Charged Burst >> Charged Burst if you have Aimed Shot AND Speed Shot on CD. This doesn't happen very often, from what I've noticed.
Neither of those rotations actually gains you a trickshot. Compare
Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Charged Burst >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot
Charged Burst >> Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot

or

Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Speed Shot >> Trickshot >> Charged Burst >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot
Charged Burst >> Charged Burst >> Trickshot >> Speed Shot >> Trickshot >> Aimed Shot >> Trickshot

They both use the same skills, just one uses the CB's sequentially while the other spreads them out. The difference is, the sequential rotations can be used any time, while the non-sequential only work when you haven't used trickshot for 9 seconds. In fact, I don't see a way you wouldn't chain directly into the sequential rotation from yours without casting a bunch of solo Charged Bursts that don't proc TS.

Basically, the only way you can TS is to (in order of DPS):
-Cast Quickdraw (last 30%, limited by QD CD)
-Cast aimed shot [ideally a 1.5s cast] (limited by AS cooldown)
-Cast speedshot (limited by SS cooldown)
-Cast 1 charged burst and have TS not be on cooldown (only applicable at the very beginning of the fight, or during phase transitions)
-Cast 2 charged burst (any time)
You're limited in the number of TS you can cast by the AS and SS cooldowns, and I can't see a special ordering of abilities that will allow you more than 3 TS per 12sec rotation. Spreading your your TS like that lets you front load a bit of damage, and the second CB will be at a reduced cost, but will do no more net damage over the whole sequence than using sequential CBs.

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Kaos_KidSWTOR
04.30.2013 , 03:03 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
I can't figure out if that's supposed to be a PvP spec (it's not a good one) or a PvE spec (...it's not good for that either).
How is it not good for both? you cant tell me you actually like Covered Escape, Spacer , Smoke Grenade, and Burst Volley? all 4 of those talents do jack **** compared to other talents. That build is meant to cover all the bases (roughly) the PvP talents of Trip Shot and Kneecappin' are actually decent in PvE. If some mob is coming up to me and my Comp or the tank is not paying attention i can stop them in their tracks. Spacer and Smoke Grenade are both highly situational talents. Burst Volley makes me gag every time i read the description. Trust me when you run this build you will never switch back. also Gearing for it is simple. stack to about 10% alacrity (personally i will stack to about 15%) and the rest gets dumped into Power. Crit and Surge are useless for SS.

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namesaretough
04.30.2013 , 03:40 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Kaos_KidSWTOR View Post
How is it not good for both? you cant tell me you actually like Covered Escape, Spacer , Smoke Grenade, and Burst Volley? all 4 of those talents do jack **** compared to other talents. That build is meant to cover all the bases (roughly) the PvP talents of Trip Shot and Kneecappin' are actually decent in PvE. If some mob is coming up to me and my Comp or the tank is not paying attention i can stop them in their tracks. Spacer and Smoke Grenade are both highly situational talents. Burst Volley makes me gag every time i read the description. Trust me when you run this build you will never switch back.
I assumed this was a pvp build, I hope you at least attempted to focus on that. You're missing diversion, which is your death sentence for other snipers and gunslingers. The accuracy debuff is great when a mara or sniper is on your healer or ball carrier, but I guess you're not in to the whole "team player" thing. The knockback from spacer is nice for when melee is on you, but I suppose it isn't "necessary", although the reduced cast time makes it more likely someone will still be standing in flyby when it actually hits. Burst volley is a great burst damage cooldown. Given your stance on alacrity I figured you'd at least take it for the 10% bonus. I can't imagine giving up burst volley and diversion for 2 points in black market mods.

As far as pve goes: Cool under pressure? useless. Heads up? useless. Kneecappin? may as well be useless (you already have so many tools to control a mob until the tank takes it back). Stay low? useless, except for some extremely niche situations in a very few boss fights. Percussive shot? actually BAD to have. You need to take some of these to get Burst Volley, but you hate that talent, so... yea.

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Gearing for it is simple. stack to about 10% alacrity (personally i will stack to about 15%) and the rest gets dumped into Power. Crit and Surge are useless for SS.
"The rest gets dumped into power"? Stats don't work like that.

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theJediMaste
04.30.2013 , 04:23 PM | #18
http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#70...kRrfkzzZbfZh.3
for pve at least this is a much better spec than what u had

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emidas
05.01.2013 , 07:42 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by namesaretough View Post
I can't figure out if that's supposed to be a PvP spec (it's not a good one) or a PvE spec (...it's not good for that either).
No independent Anarchy or Burst Volley (yes, this IS a dps increase, especially with the energy boost and the alacrity), yet you have Cool Under Pressure? No Spacer? (Seriously?), yet you have Leg Shot and Kneecappin' talented? If this is meant to be a pve build...

To quote you, if you use this build, "you're" an idiot (the guy who wrote that, not the guy I'm quoting).

EDIT: Now I know you're a troll. You ignore Accuracy completely in your "stat gearing", and say to stay away from Surge. Okay.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#70...kRrfkzzZbIZM.3 is imo the optimal 2.0 SS build. Crit has become so bad that I would take the 2 points in alacrity over 2 in crit, and 5% dmg to flyby (with all the SS buffs, and the pvp 2set bonus) and to sabo charge is worth more than a 3rd point in crit or another point elsewhere.
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Kaos_KidSWTOR
05.01.2013 , 09:09 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by emidas View Post
No independent Anarchy or Burst Volley (yes, this IS a dps increase, especially with the energy boost and the alacrity), yet you have Cool Under Pressure? No Spacer? (Seriously?), yet you have Leg Shot and Kneecappin' talented? If this is meant to be a pve build...

To quote you, if you use this build, "you're" an idiot (the guy who wrote that, not the guy I'm quoting).

EDIT: Now I know you're a troll. You ignore Accuracy completely in your "stat gearing", and say to stay away from Surge. Okay.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#70...kRrfkzzZbIZM.3 is imo the optimal 2.0 SS build. Crit has become so bad that I would take the 2 points in alacrity over 2 in crit, and 5% dmg to flyby (with all the SS buffs, and the pvp 2set bonus) and to sabo charge is worth more than a 3rd point in crit or another point elsewhere.
The problem here is, Flyby is incredibly niche. on my Operative i rarely find myself using Orbital Strike. and my GS is currently level 30 and my father has a 50 Sniper (barely plays it though) and when he does use orbital its in a dire situation to kill a mob when either he or Kalyo is near death (been telling him to use Lokin but he insists Kalyo is better...) He runs more PvE based has no Imperial Demarcation, or Debilitating Shots. He did take Sniper Volley but NEVER uses it. I took it a step further and am not taking it. Its incredibly niche. Same goes for Covered Escape when are you going to be moving out of cover in PvE? Almost never, There are a few cases (SOA, FB/SC in EC and some others) where you do need to move but that 20% defense is not much. On the subject of ACC i knew i need atleast 100% ACC that's why i didn't talk about it. Its a given that any class needs 100% ACC. Crit and Surge have been incredibly gimped in 2.0 and were bad stats to begin with. If we still needed crits from CB and SS to proc the 1.5 AS then crit would be more important. but that's behind us now. Surge is and has been a bad stat compared to Power. I am an Alacrity lover because i don't want to run low on power in a dire situation when im almost dead which is when you need to be more aware of what your doing which is also a good segway into my next point. Cool Under Pressure, Its a godsend in just about any situation. the old Cool Under Pressure was incredibly niche, the new one is a talent ANY full spec should try to take. Your spending 95% of your time in cover, Cover has 85% of your attacks so it makes sense to be buffing Cover to be more useful. Percussive Shot is not useless its useful for many situations. Ive had times when ive over bounded Bowdarr's threat and something was coming after me so i hit 2 CB's and an AS and knocked them back while dealing damage Cover Pulse deals 0 Damage while AS deals 5k+ I would much rather be able to deal damage while knocking someone back then deal no damage. Thats why i don't have Spacer, I already get some activation time off of Flyby with alacrity and 2 extra meters on Cover Pulse big whoop... On to the useless Smoke Grenade, Ive never found myself in a fight against a sniper/other GS that i haven't won unless they were exponentially higher level or higher geared. I could see some minor uses in the case of melee. But they cant leap to me when im in cover so what extra advantage am i gaining? Minor extra usefulness for Huttball. Ok you may have convinced me a bit to take Diversion but where will i put it on my Hotbar? its already filled when i hit 36 and get Speed Shot. I guess i could take up a mouse button for it...

There's me showing a bit of intelligence in this forum of idiots...

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