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Grobiou
04.12.2013 , 01:23 AM | #751
I have complained many times about different subjects and to be fair Bioware is going the right way this time. I play a AP/Tactics BountyHunter/Vanguard. Before 2.0, I was doing ok, playing average of 10 WZ per night and taking 3 days to complete a weekly. That's really bad, but It's just the reality of queuing solo and always having to face teams with more veteran players, maybe better gear or maybe VoIP software. I used to re-spec in mid of some WZs to Shieldtech depending on the classes in the enemy team so that I could help more.

After the last patch 2.0a, so far, I feel like I can add value to my team without having to switch spec. I didn't finish min/maxing before 2.0 so I'm playing with normal WH Combat Tech 80% min/maxed, to say something. In WZs, my HP without stim is 23093K, ranged attack over 1000, tech attack over 800, dont rember the exact numbers. So far, no complain about the performance, I hit harder and last longer in the WZs now.

I saw players with 24.7K HP naked and 1274 damage, 27Khp naked, others with 28.7K HP geared and 694 damage. Right now my only problem are the assassins/shadows. I haven't researched about their new skills but in good hands are a pain, at least for me. Healers are less hard to kill but still a hard kill, in good hands. Maybe it would had been better if Bioware made the changes gradually so people could get used to them in a less painful process, maybe first the tree changes and in another patch the bolster change, but what's done is done. Maybe I'm lucky that I got a bug in my favor or just adapted to the changes quickly, but my experience so far is good without having to go naked.

Bioware, thank you for the spec changes.

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Manotao
04.12.2013 , 01:44 AM | #752
well, Infiltration Shadow is broken for PVP, so is Balance.
The only thing we can do now in PVP is tanking.
So, as a Infil Shadow PVP DD, I am f***** twice.
I dont see any logic in this. Why do all these button clicking PVEers get rewarded for not doing any good in PVP before 2.0, while experienced PVPers who put a lot of time into learning their class (keybindings, movement, game mechanics, theorycrafting, PVP gear.....) are now forced to play naked or in PVE gear to do any good and still dont make a difference?
So, does Bioware really want an Infiltration shadow in full PVP gear not being able to kill a naked or PVE dressed (keyboardturning mouseclicking) Healer in warzones?
Really??? I don't get it
BW, please please fix this, soon...

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umadbruv
04.12.2013 , 02:10 AM | #753
I just cancelled my subscription because of this new bolster system. Yes it's broken now, but I don't see how it can be what I'm looking for when it's working as intended.

You should be rewarded if you put in the time and it's really not that hard to get the PVP gear to be competitive with the discounted PVP gear now and the minimal differences in the 2 tiers.

Why don't I get bolstered when I join an OPs group? It feels like they are penalizing pure PVPers. Since I purely PVP, I don't see a point in a subscription when I can be competitive as a FTPer.

Good f**ken job BW

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Atramar
04.12.2013 , 02:36 AM | #754
Quote: Originally Posted by thatPERSON View Post
for anyone that doesnt know how this bolster system feels like, imagine a fully twinked out smasher or concealment op at lvl 49 in pre 2.0 lowbie pvp.....
yes, but then, if every one is twinked, every one is equal
Tracer Legacy, The Red Eclipse.
Not reading colored text, it hurts my eyes. Sorry (unless it's a dev post)
L55:Sniper,Operative,Juggernaut,Assassin,Marauder, Powertech,Guardian,Commando,Scoundrel
to finish:Shadow(41),Sage(53),Merc(39). 29.07.2013

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Princz
04.12.2013 , 02:39 AM | #755
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
yes, but then, if every one is twinked, every one is equal
no man because ppl are not twinked equaly

PVE gear gives way way more stats with bolster....
I only pvp ... with my gear i have less stats than the above...
naked i still have less stats than the above

and the difference is not small man

The lower the lever and the more pver you are ...the better stats you have in WZs.
Princz - Sage healer of the Republic
Fantastico - sneaky assasin of the Empire
"idiots are invincible"

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TipsyDrow
04.12.2013 , 02:57 AM | #756
Quote: Originally Posted by Manotao View Post
well, Infiltration Shadow is broken for PVP, so is Balance.
The only thing we can do now in PVP is tanking.
So, as a Infil Shadow PVP DD, I am f***** twice.
I dont see any logic in this. Why do all these button clicking PVEers get rewarded for not doing any good in PVP before 2.0, while experienced PVPers who put a lot of time into learning their class (keybindings, movement, game mechanics, theorycrafting, PVP gear.....) are now forced to play naked or in PVE gear to do any good and still dont make a difference?
So, does Bioware really want an Infiltration shadow in full PVP gear not being able to kill a naked or PVE dressed (keyboardturning mouseclicking) Healer in warzones?
Really??? I don't get it
BW, please please fix this, soon...
While the bolster is broken and laughable, Infil shadows are super atm. I don't know what you specced but I hopped on today to pvp for the first time in well over two months. I went full infiltraion. I removed my ear piece and relics and had at lvl 50- 24k HP, 2k expertise, 2k min stat, 30 crit rating 75 surge. I was destroying anyone I wanted to hit in 2 globals, three if they were good. That said, almost every class I saw was killing extremely fast. TTK is very very fast atm. In my opinion infil shadows are just as good as any other dps class atm. Over all though my feelings on the changes are as a whole are not good. I personally don't like expansion nor the bolster system nor the changes made to most classes. *shrugs* Some like it , some don't. I made sure to purchase all the unlocks I need from the GTN to comfortably finish all the class stories as a premium player as Bioware will not get a penny more from me.

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Atramar
04.12.2013 , 03:05 AM | #757
Quote: Originally Posted by Princz View Post
no man because ppl are not twinked equaly

PVE gear gives way way more stats with bolster....
I only pvp ... with my gear i have less stats than the above...
naked i still have less stats than the above

and the difference is not small man

The lower the lever and the more pver you are ...the better stats you have in WZs.
besides few slots, it's not really that much, I pvped in my pve gear, pvp gear and naked (on my operative healer I went concealment for giggles, but didn't have equipt, so went naked). Sometimes you rock, sometimes you get rocked...

lower level you have, less skills you have, use yours...
Yes, TTK is quite low on lowbies atm, but, games are bloody fun.
Last time I've seen games so equal, with so many turns and combacks, was on a gore double exp weekend when I was witness of a game where both teams were equally uber awful (in both rotations and objectives),and it's fun to see it on regular basis.
ps, naked pvp gives about 96% accuracy (I can be wrong here), so tanks are ubber now :O
Tracer Legacy, The Red Eclipse.
Not reading colored text, it hurts my eyes. Sorry (unless it's a dev post)
L55:Sniper,Operative,Juggernaut,Assassin,Marauder, Powertech,Guardian,Commando,Scoundrel
to finish:Shadow(41),Sage(53),Merc(39). 29.07.2013

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Princz
04.12.2013 , 03:12 AM | #758
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
besides few slots, it's not really that much, I pvped in my pve gear, pvp gear and naked (on my operative healer I went concealment for giggles, but didn't have equipt, so went naked). Sometimes you rock, sometimes you get rocked...

lower level you have, less skills you have, use yours...
Yes, TTK is quite low on lowbies atm, but, games are bloody fun.
Last time I've seen games so equal, with so many turns and combacks, was on a gore double exp weekend when I was witness of a game where both teams were equally uber awful (in both rotations and objectives),and it's fun to see it on regular basis.
ps, naked pvp gives about 96% accuracy (I can be wrong here), so tanks are ubber now :O
Check again and you ll see i am right

Unless a 4K hp is no big difference for you
Naked strips a lot of my power/crit/surge

why use more skills when the 1 skill you can spam is OP?
Especially now that agents/smugglers dont have to worry with energy management?
Princz - Sage healer of the Republic
Fantastico - sneaky assasin of the Empire
"idiots are invincible"

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Atramar
04.12.2013 , 03:29 AM | #759
Quote: Originally Posted by Princz View Post
Check again and you ll see i am right

Unless a 4K hp is no big difference for you
Naked strips a lot of my power/crit/surge

why use more skills when the 1 skill you can spam is OP?
Especially now that agents/smugglers dont have to worry with energy management?
more like 2-3k, 1 button spammer would ratehr be commando/merc or sorc/sage then operative/scoundrel or even smasher (smasher requires about 5 buttons minimum).
lowbie pvp is not pvp, it;s leveling ground, go 55 for real games.
(yes, bolster is broken, but it's equal to every one and lowbie pvp was NEVER EVER more fair and balanced)
Tracer Legacy, The Red Eclipse.
Not reading colored text, it hurts my eyes. Sorry (unless it's a dev post)
L55:Sniper,Operative,Juggernaut,Assassin,Marauder, Powertech,Guardian,Commando,Scoundrel
to finish:Shadow(41),Sage(53),Merc(39). 29.07.2013

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Ragglemuffin
04.12.2013 , 04:10 AM | #760
I provided this in a different thread but I thought I was important to share my views here to as this has had dev responses.

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They're not going to remove it. At least not for a long while.

Even @ 55, the Bolster system encourages more people to PvP since the gear gap has been reduced to the point of non-existence. Players won't need fully modded/optimized gear sets to be competitive in ranked PvP now, and even the "elite" players should have the foresight to see that.

There has been very little interest in ranked teams for a long time. Inexperienced teams are still going to get stomped for awhile, but at least the 2.0 system encourages them to keep trying without having to worry about gear grinding.
Now using the quote above I feel that as a pvper who pays subs primarily to pvp and I've been this way since initial beta testing, I had to address some points.

I agree that the art and determination of dedicated PvPers apply to min/maxing is now void. What is the point of investing time into wz's if random PvE guys and going to get better stats than the guys who grind out the pvp gear? Where is the incentive to want to put the hours into pvping to get the conqueror gear if you can just wear PvE gear and get better star through the bolster system?? I honestly felt for the first time that pvp has now become worthless for the dedicated pvper. Yes ok bolster allows players to have an "even" chance but it strips away a PvPers reward system. Look at it this way, in pvp, you get bolster to pretty much elite gear level, why isn't there then a bolster in place for PvPers to get stat inflation when hitting hard mode or nightmare mode operations? It's seems unfair that both communities are not hit with the same brush.

I do agree with giving non PvPers a chance in 55 pvp but the bolster needs to be tweaked. The stats given should be no where near as good as pvp gear. Bolster should be there only to give you a helping hand until you get the pvp gear. I would say that there should be a 40% difference between bolster and full pvp geared players. Even 30% would suffice, this would mean players get a chance and if they have the skill they could even beat players in pvp gear. With this change, it would mean that dedicated PvPers like myself would have our sense of purpose back and that grinding out the wz comms becomes important again. It will give us back out reward system and give us a reason to continue doing what we enjoy most about the game.

In conclusion, pvp no longer has the same attraction as it did prior to 2.0. There is no longer a sense of achievement with regards to grinding gear and there is no longer a purpose for the dedicated pvper. Bolster needs to change in 55 and should most definitely not exist in ranked wz's. we don't get bolstered for PvE so why should everything be given on a plate in pvp.