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Yeochins
04.18.2013 , 08:19 AM | #1181
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Different issues raised on PTS. Just an FYI.

They've even explained that by fixing one bug, they opened others up. Rather rude of you to call others incompetent when you have no idea what happened in the codebase.

Quite often you fix a bug, and a new one pops up. Welcome to Software Development. They're constantly working to fix things without breaking other things. If they had months and months of PTS time, and unlimited resources, we wouldn't see bugs. But until they start doing MUCH better financially, to the point where EA will dedicate more resources to their team, we will continue to see bugs that aren't fixed instantly.
I don't need to know what happened. I work as a Software Engineer and I even once worked developing games. If you fix one bug and introduce regressions that is plain incompetence as a software developer. You won't be working for long in Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or any other big company that develops software if you pull what bioware pulls.

Naked Bolster was identified in the PTS, it was allowed to proceed into the LIVE game. How is THAT a different issue identified in the PTS?

I'll tell you something about game development at most companies:
  1. They manually test everything
  2. Regression tests consist of testers manually playing the game with a list of actions to perform
  3. There is no concept of unit tests whatsoever, the odd developer that actually does unit test code quickly finds it gets erased from the code repository because some other developer broke them and wasn't willing to fix them
  4. There are design changes up till the a last moment
  5. They use in game telemetry to find their bugs they didn't catch with manual testing

At no point as a Software Developer should issues be introduced because you fixed a bug. That is incompetence at:
  1. Requirements Analysis
  2. Architecture and Design
  3. Unit Testing
  4. Regression Testing

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painterwhit
04.18.2013 , 08:22 AM | #1182
Quote: Originally Posted by Arutar View Post
Not in my experience.

Under lvl 55 WZ are at the moment much more imbalanced than they were before.

With the exception of the dreaded lvl 49 pimped twinks, pre lvl 50 WZ before the patch were almost perfectly balanced anyway with everyones hp between around 11-13k HP. When 2.0 went live, you could see people between 18k and 33k HP in the lvl 30-54 WZ. Two hotfixes later, there still is a potential gap of 6-7k HP (23k to around 29K).
^^ this right here. My 34 Vanguard had 2010 expertise. BUT, 1 wz later, after hitting 35, upgrading his enhancements, and his 2 color crystals (+41 yellow/orange Hawkeyes FROM THE CARTEL MARKET), it went down to 1990.

I have removed the enhancements, and the 2 crystals to try and see what happened, but nothing changed. The only thing that made sense was that I gained a level. Tell me how a system is "working as intended" when you get penalized stats as you level, or wear the better gear? This is laughable....someone walks into a wz with crappy greens they haven't upgraded in 20 levels, and has better stats than someone that actually spends time keeping their gear upgraded.

EDIT: I don't even care what the boost is, or about bolster....it's a good concept. But, it should not penalize toons at ALL, for ANY reason. Bolster means to improve, yes (BW's definition anyway)?
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Kilora
04.18.2013 , 08:53 AM | #1183
Quote: Originally Posted by Yeochins View Post
I don't need to know what happened. I work as a Software Engineer and I even once worked developing games. If you fix one bug and introduce regressions that is plain incompetence as a software developer. You won't be working for long in Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or any other big company that develops software if you pull what bioware pulls.

Naked Bolster was identified in the PTS, it was allowed to proceed into the LIVE game. How is THAT a different issue identified in the PTS?

I'll tell you something about game development at most companies:
  1. They manually test everything
  2. Regression tests consist of testers manually playing the game with a list of actions to perform
  3. There is no concept of unit tests whatsoever, the odd developer that actually does unit test code quickly finds it gets erased from the code repository because some other developer broke them and wasn't willing to fix them
  4. There are design changes up till the a last moment
  5. They use in game telemetry to find their bugs they didn't catch with manual testing

At no point as a Software Developer should issues be introduced because you fixed a bug. That is incompetence at:
  1. Requirements Analysis
  2. Architecture and Design
  3. Unit Testing
  4. Regression Testing
Great! So -- PLEASE so me the code you've worked on that has never had problems?

I don't really care what experience you've had. You're still rude for calling people you don't know arrogant, especially when you DON'T have ANY clue as to what they're doing.

And funny -- I've yet to see Google or Microsoft or Apple or Amazon put out ANY piece of software that didn't have bugs. And often times -- Microsoft introduces more problems when fixing a few. . . .

The point is. Humans make mistakes. They don't have the resources to pull together a testing team rivaling that of Microsoft. If you believe you could've done it better, why aren't you working for them? That isn't even me being rude -- I'd seriously prefer someone with the knowledge and experience you claim to have be working for them.

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HoloTweed
04.18.2013 , 09:07 AM | #1184
Quote: Originally Posted by MotorCityMan View Post
Having to wear pvp gear on a pvp server while doing pve? What a fashion fax paux. Outragous. It's like wearing black to a wedding ! or bright colors before spring. The horror...
You're just being ridiculous. Why should players be forced to grind PvP gear to do open world PvE missions?

No, the far better answer is to turn off Expertise in the open world. If that means that PvP gear needs to be adjusted, I'm fine with that. I would prefer honest open world PvP (which occurs in the PvE space!) than giving a ridiculous ROFLstomp advantage to people who grind up in Warzones, smash people doing PvE quests and then smack-talk them like there was actually skill involved.

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Okod
04.18.2013 , 09:20 AM | #1185
Finding PvP a bit more sane since the recent patch, and my de-EXPERTISE'd WH geared Sorc is now better off stat wise at around 25K HP, and 2xxx EXP.

I do wonder if the 'balancing' is working as intended as one of my alts has ~22K HP, and one has ~29K HP (+ the Sorc with ~25k HP)...all in the 30 - 54 bracket. Now, the 29K HP character is wearing the level 40 PvP 'tank' set, so I'm not sure if the Bolster system looks at each item and goes 'Oh, you have tank gear, I'll bolster you to the 55 tank level' (so more END, and therefore more HP) vs bolster to a 55 DPS level. I'll need to examine where main stat gets bolstered when I have time. Maybe this ~7K HP difference is "working as intended" - given the different roles of the my characters.

TTK, for me, is still mixed. I find games without healers are too fast, and games with healers a too slow - hardly any deaths on the latter. Quite often the two factors combine for a really un-fun game; one side has ~2 healers, the other zero - one side just get burst down over and over, the other gets very few deaths. If we had a PvP matching-making system maybe healer levels would be OK. As it is I guess I'd like to see damage drop by an amount, and healing to drop by slightly more (while still being useful - I have a healer, I don't want to be redundant!).

As for Bioware's QA (or not), I do wonder, from experience, whether it is incompetent developers. More likely it's a higher-up Pointy Haired Boss deciding - often by throwing a dart at a calendar - that 09/Apr would just be the *perfect* time to release the expansion, regardless of any feedback by the development team about the infeasibility of it.

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Yeochins
04.18.2013 , 09:22 AM | #1186
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Great! So -- PLEASE so me the code you've worked on that has never had problems?
I didn't say my software never had problems. But I can say that any code I write today will not regress identified issues.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
I don't really care what experience you've had. You're still rude for calling people you don't know arrogant, especially when you DON'T have ANY clue as to what they're doing.
This sort of wishy washy accountability is why we have problems. You think the shareholders are going to forgive minor mistakes when they don't know how difficult it is to write software that is reliable, fast and works. They will judge me as incompetent which is fine because if I make an easy to correct mistake it is my fault. I would then pour my heart and soul into fixing whatever I did wrong to prove to the shareholders that I have some competency in what I do.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
And funny -- I've yet to see Google or Microsoft or Apple or Amazon put out ANY piece of software that didn't have bugs. And often times -- Microsoft introduces more problems when fixing a few. . . .
You're right they do make mistakes. And what do they do? They never let them happen again. When a customer tells them something is completely broken in a beta, they don't ignore it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
The point is. Humans make mistakes. They don't have the resources to pull together a testing team rivaling that of Microsoft. If you believe you could've done it better, why aren't you working for them? That isn't even me being rude -- I'd seriously prefer someone with the knowledge and experience you claim to have be working for them.
Why am I not working for Bioware, when Bioware can pay my six digit salary and give me free reigns to completely change everything about their studio, then I will work for them. Until then, their 5 digit developers contract is not appealing, nor is the powerlessness to dictate to the producers the way this game is going to be developed.

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EricMusco
04.18.2013 , 10:03 AM | #1187 Click here to go to the next staff post in this thread. Next  
Quote: Originally Posted by Kirtastropohe View Post
As others have said, please address the empty slots issue as well. Don't put in a fix for a problem you're finally acknowledging (pve being better than pvp gear) and then fail to address another big issue where people have to rip stuff out of their gear and have empty slots to get best stats.

I'm going to check these forums tuesday/wednesday, and if the system isn't fixed, and if it still punishes those who ground their gear out, I might finally pull the plug on this game.
The issue of empty Modification slots Bolstering incorrectly is a bug and will be fixed on Tuesday with Game Update 2.0.1. The delay in my response is that I wanted to be sure that it was a bug and when exactly it would be fixed so I could report that information to you guys, hope that helps.

Thanks!

-eric
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islander
04.18.2013 , 10:07 AM | #1188
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
The issue of empty Modification slots Bolstering incorrectly is a bug and will be fixed on Tuesday with Game Update 2.0.1. The delay in my response is that I wanted to be sure that it was a bug and when exactly it would be fixed so I could report that information to you guys, hope that helps.

Thanks!

-eric
Thanks for the continued communication, Eric.
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Pistols
04.18.2013 , 10:13 AM | #1189
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
The issue of empty Modification slots Bolstering incorrectly is a bug and will be fixed on Tuesday with Game Update 2.0.1. The delay in my response is that I wanted to be sure that it was a bug and when exactly it would be fixed so I could report that information to you guys, hope that helps.

Thanks!

-eric
Thanks for the communication Eric, while frustrating the fix will be next week, the information is appreciated.

PS: I reserve the right to go 5150 on the forums if in fact the fix either A) Breaks bolster more or B) doesn't fix it at all.

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DarkVasilia
04.18.2013 , 10:14 AM | #1190
The only thing they need to do is remove it, the complete bolster. It broke the game multiple times now, still nobody fixes it. And why does it need to take so long to fix a bug. Shut down the servers and solve it end of story. Ive been grinding my *** of to get better gear and what do i see. People with better stats then me and they prolly just do pve.