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Kuvox_
04.09.2013 , 01:11 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Sowwy View Post
You have greater patience than I do.
Ha ha, then you must have never been in a match with me. Pretty sure I'm not known for being patient with my teammates. As I am often reminded by those I group with, I tend to confuse who my opponents are.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sowwy View Post
And to be clear, losing doesn't bother me as much as watching a tsunami of stupid crash over a match.
This past weekend I was able to PVP a lot, trying to catch up in the saving comms race and all. Zez’rel and I took informal polls of people’s ages in at least a dozen matches Pub side. Who knows if people were being honest, but of those who responded we saw more 10-13 year old players than any other age group (with basically no one in my age group). Not to say being 10-13 necessarily makes one a bad player, I would argue that it certainly raises the likelihood of it. This, of course, is probably just a hasty generalization but if a large percentage of Pub PVPers on this server are middle school aged then this “tsunami of stupid” you speak of may just be prepubescent kids at play. If for no other reason, it certainly made me question why I am still playing this game….
Kuvox (Sage), Kuvóx (Scoundrel), Kûvox (Sentinel), EthelMerman (Vanguard)
Kúvox (Sorc), Danshin (Operative), Kuv-ox (PowerTech)

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teclado
04.09.2013 , 03:10 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuvox_ View Post
Zez’rel and I took informal polls of people’s ages in at least a dozen matches Pub side. Who knows if people were being honest, but of those who responded we saw more 10-13 year old players than any other age group (with basically no one in my age group).
Yeah, I'm thinking (or at least hoping) that they were just trolling. I was in a match with you recently and was taken aback by how mad you got about our team apparently having sucky dps. Yes, we were losing horribly, but that is the norm for republic side. Hence, I got a little miffed and felt the need to troll you a little and say some things that led you and your friend to assume that I was a 10 year old. Calling me a "scrub" made me want to troll even harder.

Anyway, don't assume that all of us "scrubs" who just don't have as good of gear as you are 10 year old kids.

P.S. my vanguard character is "Lycone". I'm 26 years old, have a 40+ hour/ week job. I enjoy the underdog role, too. I do understand your frustration to a certain degree, I just may not be as vocal about it.

About a week ago, I played with my level 50 vanguard one night and went 1 and 8. Whenever I play as my sub-50 sage, I would estimate that my wins/losses are better than 50-50. Does my vanguard gear suck? I have mostly WH gear. With 2.0 this may all be moot, but I wouldn't say that my VG gear was bad enough to warrant ridicule. So, in my experience, I would say that the issue is mainly with republic 50 pvp, which may change drastically now with the three brackets (I haven't tried it yet).

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Sowwy
04.09.2013 , 03:36 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by teclado View Post
Yeah, I'm thinking (or at least hoping) that they were just trolling. I was in a match with you recently and was taken aback by how mad you got about our team apparently having sucky dps. Yes, we were losing horribly, but that is the norm for republic side. Hence, I got a little miffed and felt the need to troll you a little and say some things that led you and your friend to assume that I was a 10 year old. Calling me a "scrub" made me want to troll even harder.

Anyway, don't assume that all of us "scrubs" who just don't have as good of gear as you are 10 year old kids.

P.S. my vanguard character is "Lycone". I'm 26 years old, have a 40+ hour/ week job. I enjoy the underdog role, too. I do understand your frustration to a certain degree, I just may not be as vocal about it.

About a week ago, I played with my level 50 vanguard one night and went 1 and 8. Whenever I play as my sub-50 sage, I would estimate that my wins/losses are better than 50-50. Does my vanguard gear suck? I have mostly WH gear. With 2.0 this may all be moot, but I wouldn't say that my VG gear was bad enough to warrant ridicule. So, in my experience, I would say that the issue is mainly with republic 50 pvp, which may change drastically now with the three brackets (I haven't tried it yet).
Judging by the pvp forums, it seems that all pvp standards are irrelevant right now. At least until they fix things (if only, I'm on a wait-and-see break from the game)

But even so, skilled pvpers don't often articulate themselves in the middle of a game, but they're not always raging just because they're losing the match. When I get frustrated its because I can see countless mistakes being made. Bad decisions or even worse, no decisions at all, just a fruitless tab targeting zergfest. So my advice, next time a skilled player starts blowing off steam in a match, ask them what you could do differently. Some of us may actually have a good answer.

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Antiskeptic
04.09.2013 , 03:52 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaker View Post
I let my cousin play my Jedi Shadow 50,


"So we're holding mid when they're about to *********** score, ***!!!" - in Huttball
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Although all the other points you made were valid, I see no issue with his, why would you not hold mid if they're about to score? I'd rather give them 1 goal if you can then hold mid and turn the sway of the game.

to the OP and anyone else that feels the same as him:
If you're whinging about pugging a game and losing, stop pugging games.

Going to the imperial side really wont help anything tbh.
Are you going to swap back if the pub side starts to win more often because baddies like you went and rerolled imp side?
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kingrimlock
04.09.2013 , 04:31 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Antiskeptic View Post
Although all the other points you made were valid, I see no issue with his, why would you not hold mid if they're about to score? I'd rather give them 1 goal if you can then hold mid and turn the sway of the game.

to the OP and anyone else that feels the same as him:
If you're whinging about pugging a game and losing, stop pugging games.

Going to the imperial side really wont help anything tbh.
Are you going to swap back if the pub side starts to win more often because baddies like you went and rerolled imp side?
It's possible OP was referring to the scenario where your pug team decides that mid has become the de-facto deathmatch arena. It's always lovely seeing half your team fighting mid and completely ignoring the ball when it spawns.

Having said that though, in a competitive match we have many a time had to let the other team score a free goal in order to try and control mid. When two solid teams face off, whoever can grab the ball first usually ends up scoring. It's the whole "lose a battle to win the war" thing .
Sparti'cus | Spartikus | Dr'spart <Solo's Cholos>
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teclado
04.09.2013 , 04:49 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Sowwy View Post
So my advice, next time a skilled player starts blowing off steam in a match, ask them what you could do differently. Some of us may actually have a good answer.
I appreciate the advice.

However, I have a few issues:
<rant mode engaged/>
1. Gear != skill. A complaint about my dps is a complaint about my gear and/or rotation. I don't have awesome gear because I find the gearing process to be an excruciating grind. I've been playing since release and I have only managed two lvl 50 characters (almost three). None of them are geared super well. As a vanguard pyro, my rotation is extremely simple. I'm not a moron. Hence, a complaint about my dps is really a complaint about my gear and/or my intelligence. I don't appreciate either of those.

2. I had no reason to believe at the time that he was more "skilled" than I. He was on the same team that was losing hard. He who cannot control his temper has nothing of value to offer me.

3. I'm sure that there are many that feel this way: I play this game to have fun, not to make a second job of it. Sometimes I get home from work and just feel like running around aimlessly and having fun, not necessarily caring too much if we win or lose. Does this mean that I am less skilled at pvp? If so, then I guess I didn't realize that pvp is a no fun zone, serious business only . Most of the time I do care (I want creds, comms, or xp), but I will never verbally abuse my teammates over their definition of fun. Lambaste me and I will troll you. I would actually feel more confident in arguing that the most vocal complainers are the ones most likely to be the "10 year old kids" with no job. How else do you muster the energy to care so much about a video game? I am generally burnt out after getting home from work. I don't need this. This is why I prefer to play solo. What I really wanted was KOTOR III.

This is my 2nd MMO, the first and only other one being eve-online. I liked that game because, due to the lack of instant gratification, there were few under the age of 18. The average age is around 35. In eve, we troll people that get too serious about space pixels. I hate WoW and I refuse to join a guild because I think the term "guild" is too WoW-esque. I'm only even playing this game because I like star wars and I really liked KOTOR.

/end rant

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Zhaker
04.09.2013 , 05:43 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Antiskeptic View Post
Although all the other points you made were valid, I see no issue with his, why would you not hold mid if they're about to score? I'd rather give them 1 goal if you can then hold mid and turn the sway of the game.

to the OP and anyone else that feels the same as him:
If you're whinging about pugging a game and losing, stop pugging games.

Going to the imperial side really wont help anything tbh.
Are you going to swap back if the pub side starts to win more often because baddies like you went and rerolled imp side?
Besides the typical DM stupid mode. The real problem is that they were just moving towards mid not as a group and trying to decimate, instead they went chasing some random tank guy instead of the healer, and when she meant mid, she meant around it, they weren't even close to the ball area. All you saw was a block on the top or bottom of mid and just fighting and doing < 100k damage.

I still to this day don't understand why people hit a tank, and expect to beat records who do the objectives and do over 1 million damage.

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Sowwy
04.09.2013 , 07:13 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by teclado View Post
I appreciate the advice. /end rant
Be more receptive, less defensive. Unfortunately, sounds to me like you have a big chip on your shoulder.

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IAmViiOLENT
04.09.2013 , 08:19 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhaker View Post
I still to this day don't understand why people hit a tank, and expect to beat records who do the objectives and do over 1 million damage.


In rateds, sometimes you go after the other teams tank, for the same reason you kill their healers, sometimes its just easier to get the tank down- esp if you have a tank buster spec in your DPS comp like a leth or a few pyros.

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Antiskeptic
04.09.2013 , 09:10 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by IAmViiOLENT View Post
In rateds, sometimes you go after the other teams tank, for the same reason you kill their healers, sometimes its just easier to get the tank down- esp if you have a tank buster spec in your DPS comp like a leth or a few pyros.
Mate no one wants your advanced game play bs.
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