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Developer Update: Legacy Achievements

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Developer Update: Legacy Achievements
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BJWyler
04.03.2013 , 07:29 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Beaknasty View Post
Awesome, However does this mean the broken Codex entries will be sorted out so that we can start getting them complete?
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
I have a question, as the codex system has been broken since launch for some codex entrys, are these recorded even if they dont show up and not require us todo them again or is the codex system being replaced with the achievment system.
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
Oh just realized, there are some more titles that take quite a while to get:

Loremaster - get all Lore codex entries

Beastmaster (that just sounds awesome) - get all Beastiary Codex entries

Galactic Explorer- get all Location Codex entries

Galactic Hero
(getting that for my Sent) - complete every Heroic mission for both factions
I would like to see the answer regarding the first two questions, as there are some broken codex entries that don't unlock at the appropriate places.

I would also like to know what happened to the idea of unlocking the datacron codexes and bonuses via Legacy that was kicked around some time ago so we don't have to get the PIA 'crons more than once, but still have our alts get the codex and boost from them.
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04.03.2013 , 07:30 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by DaRoamer View Post
Wait, you said it was because of Xbox's visibility. Now you're talking about specific games. Stick to the point. Xbox achievements and gamer score don't give tangible rewards as an overall system. People like to get them because aside from having fun playing the game you can also get a little score that signifies you've achieved something in the game and long after you've finished playing you can look up the things you did. This does nothing other than give a history of things you've done. You get nothing else. People love it. Some people play games they don't even like just to get the achievements. If you're incapable of understanding why someone would do this without getting a cookie for it then it's not a feature for you.
Most games that can be considered to have any sort of depth nowadays offer tangible rewards for completing achievements, whether it be alternate looks, weapons, difficulty modes, what have you...

That's the first point.

The second point, and the one you're having so much difficulty processing, is that achievements have much more meaning within the context of Xbox Live because of their visibility. In other words, they are only pursued because they are readily comparable by others within your (virtual) social sphere and consequently represent a means to obtain some sort of bragging rights with them.

Say, for instance, you and your friends buy Gears of War 2. The rate at which achievements are unlocked by your posse are on constant high-relief, so that eventually a certain element of competitiveness begins to seep in. Currently there's no platform in place to allow this to happen in SWTOR.

Listen, I'm glad you're super-excited for the prospect of running around with a collection of letters over your player character's head that a vast majority of the player-base won't be able to see, let alone care about, but the fact remains that this is, in its current presentation, an incredibly insubstantial addition to the game.

Am I excited for it? Yes, of course. It holds tremendous potential. So much so, that the possibilities I've discussed above only really scratch the surface of its possible applications. But right now, it stands out as no more than yet another missed opportunity.

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revial
04.03.2013 , 07:38 PM | #103
Legacy Achievements are great.

But, here's a question:

You guys/girls ever going to let us show our Legacy Relationship Tree to other players? Because, isn't it kind of pointless, even as an RP tool, without that ability?
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Ixum
04.03.2013 , 07:45 PM | #104
Achievements related to defeating enemies or players will not update automatically on day one

- Im assuming this means we won't get pre 2.0 kills from WZs either? The data is displayed on the pvp window so would be weird not getting them
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Orlesian
04.03.2013 , 07:45 PM | #105
Well, achievements will be kinda fun to try to collect for fun and when bored. I just hope it does not bring out more elitism or requirement for certain activities like Operations etc.

And really, both LS AND DS Jaesa to 10k affection for an achievement? Seriously?
Please tell me this is a mistake that will be fixed if true.
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04.03.2013 , 07:51 PM | #106
What's there to understand, don't you know that most games are built around that concept, especially multiplayer games such as mmo, all MMOs are a grind anything you do is to get a bit better this or that. That's what MMOs are and most games as well. What's the point in playing at all then, nothing you're doing matters.
And besides why do you care what people think some like it some don't, nobody is forcing you, you're getting more than enough content in 2.0 what more do you want, just ignore achievements.


Quote: Originally Posted by Garanaga View Post
So pretty much this will be used for Titles, and some that "may" give Cartel Coins. So very little use whatsoever? Why the hell am I wasting my time with this game. Seriously....If you are going to add content, add content that has inherent value, you know, something with ACTUAL in game use. I do not give a flying fig if I get some "so-called awsome-sauce" title. What frikkin good is that going to do except tell everyone in game how I wasted my time to get some stupid title? Am I the only person in this game that see's this??

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DaRoamer
04.03.2013 , 07:53 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
Most games that can be considered to have any sort of depth nowadays offer tangible rewards for completing achievements, whether it be alternate looks, weapons, difficulty modes, what have you...
That's just a flat out lie. Show me a game on Xbox that gives you any of that for unlocking an achievement, let alone MOST of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
The second point, and the one you're having so much difficulty processing, is that achievements have much more meaning within the context of Xbox Live because of their visibility. In other words, they are only pursued because they are readily comparable by others within your (virtual) social sphere and consequently represent a means to obtain some sort of bragging rights with them.

Say, for instance, you and your friends buy Gears of War 2. The rate at which achievements are unlocked by your posse are on constant high-relief, so that eventually a certain element of competitiveness begins to seep in. Currently there's no platform in place to allow this to happen in SWTOR.
So they pop up for your friends when you do something? That happens here when it's spammed to guild chat. If you want to directly compare achievement you have to look at your friend's profile, same as here.

Quote: Originally Posted by Machine-Elf View Post
Listen, I'm glad you're super-excited for the prospect of running around with a collection of letters over your player character's head that a vast majority of the player-base won't be able to see, let alone care about, but the fact remains that this is, in its current presentation, an incredibly insubstantial addition to the game.
I'm sure you have some proof that the VAST MAJORITY of players turn this off? Why does almost everyone have a title displayed if you think no one will see them?

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ChrisMattar
04.03.2013 , 07:57 PM | #108
Loving the achievement system and glad to see you will keep developing it, pretty excited about that.
I hope the rewards will be more enticing in the future though, id love to see some cool pets or vehicles up for grabs.

*Also you can only use one title at a time, but having something like little stars besides your name like an army rank type thing would look fantastic and would be a way to check out a player's status on the fly.

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Isaacone
04.03.2013 , 08:09 PM | #109
I was watching a video on youtube of update 2.0 and this achievement system. From my understanding from the video you could get free cartel coins and titles with this

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Machine-Elf
04.03.2013 , 08:27 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by DaRoamer View Post
That's just a flat out lie. Show me a game on Xbox that gives you any of that for unlocking an achievement, let alone MOST of them.
Well, Arkham City was the last game I played on the Xbox. Completing achievements in that game, whether it be through progression, or through the completion of in-game (Riddler) challenges, allowed you to retrieve character trophies, a new game mode (new game plus), new character models, and unlock new challenge scenarios.

Same applies to Gears of War 2, the Uncharted and God of War series, Call of Duty...

Even a game going as far back as Resident Evil 4 rewarded you with content like new game modes, weapons, character models and even new mini-games and documentaries.

Where have you been the last 5-6 years?