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BiS 2.0 Gear and Specs


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Fireswraith
03.22.2013 , 09:38 PM | #1
Well folks, 2.0 is out in full swing and I'm sure a lot people are wanting to know BiS temps and what not. Well finally AskMrRobot has updated their databases to 2.0, so that means we can much more easily come up with possible BiS gear templates.

What we know so far.....
> The new Ops bosses have 10% resist rate, so having 110% Accuracy is needed to avoid your damage being resisted (or at the very least having 105%)
> Alacrity was given a nice Global CD reduction buff, though number wise you're not going to be seeing a base ~10% without some special buff on you
> Critical Chance is said to be nerfed to be around 20% soft cap (down 15% from 35%)
> The new top tier augments are impressive (32 main/20 secondary stat.... so 32 Willpower/20 Endurance is an extra 448 WP and 280 End [2,800 HP])

*** Before we start getting into a little more detail it should be noted, and this is key, that everyone should be getting a free +1% to Accuracy, Crit. Chance, and Crit. Mult. from maxing companion affection (so if you haven't done that do it lol)

*** Should also be noted that all the below is PvE centered and using Arkanian (69) gear and not Underworld (72) gear so absolute final stuff might be different


So now for the stats themselves and how much gives what to each stat.....

*** very much a work in progress to find the "sweet spot" for all values
*** mathematical values found using equations here: http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forums/thread-1190.html

Willpower
Self-explanatory and hasn't changed, still going to want as much as you can.

Accuracy
Ideally the target is 110%, and you're in luck reaching this target. You'll get 1% from Companion Affection Bonus (CAB) and another 3% from Electric Induction in the Lightning Tree (this 3-point skill is going to be very important). So that leaves only 6% that you need to get from mods...... and with 432 Accuracy Rating (non-min/maxed full Arkanian Force-master gear) that gives you 5.97%.

Critical Chance
I heard that the soft cap was reduced to about 20%, but in the 3/14 PTS patch notes read that they increased how much CC you got from your main stat and critical rating; so I'm going to assume a general range of about 20-25% (buffed ofcourse).

But here is an example, and for arguments sake I'm going to assume a 20% target cap. With a 5% base C.C., 6% from Op. buff and CAB, and 6.80% from Willpower (2451 WP: Arkanian F-M set, no augments except +36 WP from relics, NOT gotten all WP Datacrons, and 154 WP from lvl 52 stim) you get 17.8% C.C.; leaving 2.2% to get from elsewhere. With the 3% C.C. skill from Corruption you get 20.8%, so assuming 20% is the Crit Chance target you don't even need to ever have any Crit mods in your gear (kind of strange isn't it).

OR you can get 2x Arkanian F-M MK-X Implants (98 WP each, 196 total) which gives 3.77% C.C. Then with 5% base, 6% buff+CAB, and 6.8% from WP you have 21.57%; add 3% from Corruption for 24.57.

Critical Multiplier
Not really sure what this one was lowered to, I thought I heard a number in the 60's tossed around somewhere but hell if I can find it again. I'll just say that at 360 Surge Rating it's giving 19.06% Crit Mult, with 1% from CAB and 50% base comes to a total of 70.06%. Doesn't seem that bad, but remains to be seen.

Alacrity
This one is kind of tricky because it mostly is going to depend on your spec and I'm still not really sure how much is worth it. Madness certainly gets more of an Alacrity buff than Lightning interestingly enough. But at 216 Alacrity Rating it's giving 3.03% Alacrity, add in 2% Alacrity skill from Corruption for 5.03% and I think it's a pretty good base. Lightning spec can get Polarity Shift down to a 1min 30sec cooldown (15s from 2 piece dps bonus and another 15 from Chaos Nexus, and assuming 5.03% Alacrity can get up to 10.03% with 4 piece dps bonus and 30.03% with Polarity Shift; Madness has access to 14.03% and 34.03% with Polarity Shift.

So what does all this look like in gear form? Well if AskMrRobot had updated stuff I could come up with something. But as is I am so not doing it by pen and paper. At first glance full Arkanian Force-Master gear doesn't seem too badly modded and probably isn't that far off from BiS, both dps specs included.

PVE SPECS
Full 36 point (just my suggestions):
Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...2120100&ver=20

Hybrid dps
1) http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
2) http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

Hybrid heals
Heal/Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Heal/Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

Heals [UPDATED 3/27]
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

PVP SPECS [UPDATED 3/27]
Full 36 point
Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...2120100&ver=20

Hybrid dps
1) http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
2) http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20 (more dps focus, less utility)

Heals
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20


2.0 BiS Gear Templates [UPDATED 5/2]
Madness1: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...9-6bb0d1839ed9 (note: only a POSSIBILITY, little lower crit chance, little higher bonus damage)
Madness2: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...1-83c6b9549ca0 (note: only a POSSIBILITY, little higher crit chance, little lower bonus damage)

http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...0-33ef6932e9d3

Lightning: TBD

Comments welcome! I know it's not perfect or complete, but it's a start.

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joedivision
03.23.2013 , 12:51 PM | #2
Thanks for the awesome information!
Valignor Sorcerer of the Sith: The Bastion jawa_biggrin:

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Fireswraith
03.24.2013 , 08:37 PM | #3
Thank you! It's no where near what I or anyone would like at the moment, but unfortunately askmrrobot nor the SimC tool used from mmomechanics are really updated with current stuff anymore (SimC might be I'd have to double check). It's like everyone is getting off the SWTOR train.

Anyways. I thought it was about time for us Sorcs to stop arguing and complaining (though completely valid points don't get me wrong) so much and start coming together here for the betterment of our class community. We may have the squishiest class in the game, we may have a lot lower dps than we would like, and we might always seem to be overlooked by BioWare....... but I'll be damned if we don't have the best class in the game.

So anyone feel free to add any 2.0 PvE or PvP specs you think look nice, or whatever else. I'll try and keep this updated, sort of like a Sorcs one stop shop for current info.

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Fireswraith
05.02.2013 , 06:58 PM | #4
So askmrrobot.com finally got updated with the latest 2.0 stuff, and that means finally some POSSIBLE BiS gear templates can be figured out. I've updated my original post with, well, I guess a possible Madness BiS template. Though I'm sure it's certainly far from being the actual BiS since I've got zero way of testing it. Anyways, I'm sure it's also a good starting point for a Lightning BiS temp also.

Anyways, to talk about the Madness Temp I threw together. I tried to aim for 110% Acc, 3-5ish% Alac, 25% Crit Chance, and 65% Crit Mult.

In the end I came out with..... 110.48% Acc, 3.15% Alac, 25.44% Crit Chance, 65.56% Crit Mult, 3038.7 Endurance (probably rounds to 3039), 3112 Willpower, 1403.7 Bonus Damage, 1011.9 Bonus healing, and 34,731 HP (heh). I used all Willpower 28 augments

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Flalia
05.03.2013 , 12:20 PM | #5
Could somebody post the rotation for the hybrid spec? I can't find anything about it. Also why take oppressing force in the madness tree instead of conduction? This is pve btw.

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Undead_Prince
05.03.2013 , 03:10 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Flalia View Post
Could somebody post the rotation for the hybrid spec? I can't find anything about it.
It's right in the next thread:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...6&postcount=12

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Also why take oppressing force in the madness tree instead of conduction? This is pve btw.
Better yet, why not take Chaos Nexus and maybe even Reverberating Force? Also, no Electric Bindings for PVP is just criminal.

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Flalia
05.03.2013 , 05:09 PM | #7
I didn't look at that thread because it was a pvp thread my rotation question is for pve.

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g_land
05.03.2013 , 10:44 PM | #8
Try this! Sage DPS with gear suggestions, you dont need any crit rating. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=627405
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Fireswraith
05.04.2013 , 03:58 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by g_land View Post
Try this! Sage DPS with gear suggestions, you dont need any crit rating. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=627405
Sorry but us Sorcs > Sages, we run the show in this game for our archetype!

And while I won't say anything against not moding any crit (I even said it myself), I also won't completely believe it until someone can prove it in a simulation or actually testing it through having the actual gear. I really don't trust theories any more than I trust data mined "no-info" info. But to meet people half-way, I'll make two. This also goes for Alacrity, before it used to be BiS for a Lightning Sorc to mod it; was at around 10% at one point pre-2.0. Now that Alacrity is better than it used to be it's better to not mod it at all? For Lightning which is all about cast times? I'll believe it when I see it.

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Genttry
05.04.2013 , 09:08 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Fireswraith View Post
Well folks, 2.0 is out in full swing and I'm sure a lot people are wanting to know BiS temps and what not. Well finally AskMrRobot has updated their databases to 2.0, so that means we can much more easily come up with possible BiS gear templates.

What we know so far.....
> The new Ops bosses have 10% resist rate, so having 110% Accuracy is needed to avoid your damage being resisted (or at the very least having 105%)
> Alacrity was given a nice Global CD reduction buff, though number wise you're not going to be seeing a base ~10% without some special buff on you
> Critical Chance is said to be nerfed to be around 20% soft cap (down 15% from 35%)
> The new top tier augments are impressive (32 main/20 secondary stat.... so 32 Willpower/20 Endurance is an extra 448 WP and 280 End [2,800 HP])

*** Before we start getting into a little more detail it should be noted, and this is key, that everyone should be getting a free +1% to Accuracy, Crit. Chance, and Crit. Mult. from maxing companion affection (so if you haven't done that do it lol)

*** Should also be noted that all the below is PvE centered and using Arkanian (69) gear and not Underworld (72) gear so absolute final stuff might be different


So now for the stats themselves and how much gives what to each stat.....

*** very much a work in progress to find the "sweet spot" for all values
*** mathematical values found using equations here: http://mmo-mechanics.com/swtor/forums/thread-1190.html

Willpower
Self-explanatory and hasn't changed, still going to want as much as you can.

Accuracy
Ideally the target is 110%, and you're in luck reaching this target. You'll get 1% from Companion Affection Bonus (CAB) and another 3% from Electric Induction in the Lightning Tree (this 3-point skill is going to be very important). So that leaves only 6% that you need to get from mods...... and with 432 Accuracy Rating (non-min/maxed full Arkanian Force-master gear) that gives you 5.97%.

Critical Chance
I heard that the soft cap was reduced to about 20%, but in the 3/14 PTS patch notes read that they increased how much CC you got from your main stat and critical rating; so I'm going to assume a general range of about 20-25% (buffed ofcourse).

But here is an example, and for arguments sake I'm going to assume a 20% target cap. With a 5% base C.C., 6% from Op. buff and CAB, and 6.80% from Willpower (2451 WP: Arkanian F-M set, no augments except +36 WP from relics, NOT gotten all WP Datacrons, and 154 WP from lvl 52 stim) you get 17.8% C.C.; leaving 2.2% to get from elsewhere. With the 3% C.C. skill from Corruption you get 20.8%, so assuming 20% is the Crit Chance target you don't even need to ever have any Crit mods in your gear (kind of strange isn't it).

OR you can get 2x Arkanian F-M MK-X Implants (98 WP each, 196 total) which gives 3.77% C.C. Then with 5% base, 6% buff+CAB, and 6.8% from WP you have 21.57%; add 3% from Corruption for 24.57.

Critical Multiplier
Not really sure what this one was lowered to, I thought I heard a number in the 60's tossed around somewhere but hell if I can find it again. I'll just say that at 360 Surge Rating it's giving 19.06% Crit Mult, with 1% from CAB and 50% base comes to a total of 70.06%. Doesn't seem that bad, but remains to be seen.

Alacrity
This one is kind of tricky because it mostly is going to depend on your spec and I'm still not really sure how much is worth it. Madness certainly gets more of an Alacrity buff than Lightning interestingly enough. But at 216 Alacrity Rating it's giving 3.03% Alacrity, add in 2% Alacrity skill from Corruption for 5.03% and I think it's a pretty good base. Lightning spec can get Polarity Shift down to a 1min 30sec cooldown (15s from 2 piece dps bonus and another 15 from Chaos Nexus, and assuming 5.03% Alacrity can get up to 10.03% with 4 piece dps bonus and 30.03% with Polarity Shift; Madness has access to 14.03% and 34.03% with Polarity Shift.

So what does all this look like in gear form? Well if AskMrRobot had updated stuff I could come up with something. But as is I am so not doing it by pen and paper. At first glance full Arkanian Force-Master gear doesn't seem too badly modded and probably isn't that far off from BiS, both dps specs included.

PVE SPECS
Full 36 point (just my suggestions):
Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...2120100&ver=20

Hybrid dps
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

Hybrid heals
Heal/Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Heal/Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

Heals [UPDATED 3/27]
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

PVP SPECS [UPDATED 3/27]
Full 36 point
Lightning: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20
Madness: http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...2120100&ver=20

Hybrid dps
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20

Heals
http://www.swtor-spy.com/skill-tree-...0000000&ver=20


2.0 BiS Gear Templates [UPDATED 5/2]
Madness1: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...9-6bb0d1839ed9 (note: only a POSSIBILITY, little lower crit chance, little higher bonus damage)
Madness2: http://swtor.askmrrobot.com/characte...1-83c6b9549ca0 (note: only a POSSIBILITY, little higher crit chance, little lower bonus damage)

Lightning: TBD

Comments welcome! I know it's not perfect or complete, but it's a start.
Very helpful! +1 reputation (wish we could do that) and thanks man!