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Revan's Chestplate; any word on a fix?

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Revan's Chestplate; any word on a fix?
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Arlon_Nabarlly
05.06.2013 , 01:01 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by ShenLongKazama View Post
Ironically they can't fix the outfit of KOTOR's most memorable and awesome character, but can add the crappy Brianna outfit.
Personal opinion there. I used the handmaden outfit and not the Revan outfit cause I liked it better

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ZooMzy
05.06.2013 , 01:02 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

I wanted to give an update on the Revan “double hood” issue. After some investigation we realized that this was a display bug with the armor, as some have pointed out it isn’t intended to have the double hood. However, after discussing it, our current plan is to not fix the armor. Now I am sure you are asking why we would decide to not fix a bug and here is why.

One thing we have to remain very sensitive of when changing armor is that once we have implemented it in the live game, players grow attached to it. Although there may be some who are frustrated by the appearance not being 100% canonical, we have to be very sensitive to players who do actually enjoy the current appearance of the armor in the game. An example of this would be when we made changes to a few armor sets, such as the Spymaster’s set, due to display bugs. After making those changes players were understandably upset that we had now changed the appearance of an armor set which they had paid for, we want to make sure to not replicate this issue again.

I know there will be some of you who are unhappy about our choice to not adjust the double hoods but fear not, we are not making this decision lightly. In fact, we are going to continue to monitor this as we move forward. If we see a substantial number of players in favor of changing the double hoods, then we will do so but please understand that if we make this change in the future we will not be releasing a “classic” version of the Revan’s armor (as it exists now).

-eric
Interesting decision, as it is clear that most people who take time to come onto the forums to give you guys at BW/EA the feedback to make the game better were not happy with this denial of change. I find it weird, personally, that someone would grow attached to a bugged outfit with two hoods, but I guess that's some people's preference. Although, I would honestly like to question if you even researched whether or not people like said look, as I don't believe the major populace has given you even the slightest grounds to make an assumption of the sort. If you're going to deny a bug fix because of popularity with the bug, it might be better if you at least give people the way you figured out a greater population favors the bug or even make the actual claim that you've found a majority in favor the bug, as I can't see where you possibly pulled that explanation from.

To throw in my two cents, I also don't like the double hood bug and would also support the addition of a cape to the main outfit, considering that's what he wore in Kotor and that I think it would enhance the look.

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Darth-Malice
05.06.2013 , 01:05 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

I wanted to give an update on the Revan “double hood” issue. After some investigation we realized that this was a display bug with the armor, as some have pointed out it isn’t intended to have the double hood. However, after discussing it, our current plan is to not fix the armor. Now I am sure you are asking why we would decide to not fix a bug and here is why.

One thing we have to remain very sensitive of when changing armor is that once we have implemented it in the live game, players grow attached to it. Although there may be some who are frustrated by the appearance not being 100% canonical, we have to be very sensitive to players who do actually enjoy the current appearance of the armor in the game. An example of this would be when we made changes to a few armor sets, such as the Spymaster’s set, due to display bugs. After making those changes players were understandably upset that we had now changed the appearance of an armor set which they had paid for, we want to make sure to not replicate this issue again.

I know there will be some of you who are unhappy about our choice to not adjust the double hoods but fear not, we are not making this decision lightly. In fact, we are going to continue to monitor this as we move forward. If we see a substantial number of players in favor of changing the double hoods, then we will do so but please understand that if we make this change in the future we will not be releasing a “classic” version of the Revan’s armor (as it exists now).

-eric
Pretty fail Eric. Inform your superiors the community expected better from you and your team. Maybe you should stop wasting resources in the cartel market and put a little man power on other things.
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Arlon_Nabarlly
05.06.2013 , 01:06 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by ZooMzy View Post
If you're going to deny a bug fix because of popularity with the bug, it might be better if you at least give people the way you figured out a greater population favors the bug or even make the actual claim that you've found a majority in favor the bug, as I can't see where you possibly pulled that explanation from.
The wording on this really stood out to me. Back to my previous point of setting a precedent. Exploits are technically bugs, does that mean that popular exploits should be kept just because they are popular? For example during the double XP weekends people were exploiting a power level bug on Ilum with bolster, by this logic that should have not been fixed because it was so popular on the forums I guess... This is the kind of logic your precedent will set.

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SerikFox
05.06.2013 , 01:09 PM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

I wanted to give an update on the Revan “double hood” issue. After some investigation we realized that this was a display bug with the armor, as some have pointed out it isn’t intended to have the double hood. However, after discussing it, our current plan is to not fix the armor. Now I am sure you are asking why we would decide to not fix a bug and here is why.

One thing we have to remain very sensitive of when changing armor is that once we have implemented it in the live game, players grow attached to it. Although there may be some who are frustrated by the appearance not being 100% canonical, we have to be very sensitive to players who do actually enjoy the current appearance of the armor in the game. An example of this would be when we made changes to a few armor sets, such as the Spymaster’s set, due to display bugs. After making those changes players were understandably upset that we had now changed the appearance of an armor set which they had paid for, we want to make sure to not replicate this issue again.

I know there will be some of you who are unhappy about our choice to not adjust the double hoods but fear not, we are not making this decision lightly. In fact, we are going to continue to monitor this as we move forward. If we see a substantial number of players in favor of changing the double hoods, then we will do so but please understand that if we make this change in the future we will not be releasing a “classic” version of the Revan’s armor (as it exists now).

-eric
Revan is the entire reason this game exists, and you're not going to put any real effort into making his armor look it's supposed to, but you'll give classic versions for phantom gear and the like? I am so sick of these types of answers. Are you kidding me? 50% of the reason I played this game as because I would finally find out what happened to Revan. Then you just sorta wrote him out. Then, once Revan's armor was released, I was at least satisfied that something about Revan in this game was cool, even if it didn't look right. But to find the bug, and then say you're not going to fix the bug for the armor set of the character who is the entire reason this game exists - you just made me decide. ESO I am waiting for you patiently. I have no intention of playing a game based on kotor when the devs refuse to do anything to pay any real homage to Kotor. Understand, I play because I am a big fan of Star Wars and of Kotor, not because I'm a fan of SWTOR. I enjoy this game quite a bit, but the devs for ESO are putting a great deal of effort to keep things accurate to their previously stated canon. If you can't fix a simple armor set, then I'm out. I may be a bigger Star Wars fan than an Elder Scrolls fan, but it's just an insult to Star Wars when devs have no respect for the characters that make people like Star Wars. The devs for ESO are more interested in making some obscure little detail accurate about some random ruin somewhere than you are about fixing the armor for Kotor's primary character. I can already see that in what's been put out for ESO, and by how their devs treat Elder Scrolls. If you can bother to start fixing the things that made people care for the old republic, then I'm sold. If not, then goodbye. Even if ESO bombs, I can find something else.

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Kameki
05.06.2013 , 01:13 PM | #96
I can understand if it did not appear canonically, but still had no clipping issues.

However, the issue with the hoods is a clipping issue. Its a bug.


The Robe of Volatile Force and other similar models, could basically be dyed to black, fixing the issue. However, those models are only available to light armor users. Perhaps make one of them adaptive?

At the very least some form of compromise has to be taken. Many people have shared their opinions, and unless Bioware actually tallied it, I am sure more people are on favor than concretely against. I would assume most don't even care.



I personally believe there are solutions that would tend to both camps. This solution is not one of them and given the amount of voice about this issue on the forum, I believe Bioware's decision on this subject has not been optimal.
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sithgreyguard
05.06.2013 , 01:16 PM | #97
Fix it dont be lazy. Remove one of the hoods so the set is not stacking two hoods.

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Tommot
05.06.2013 , 01:17 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

I wanted to give an update on the Revan “double hood” issue. After some investigation we realized that this was a display bug with the armor, as some have pointed out it isn’t intended to have the double hood. However, after discussing it, our current plan is to not fix the armor. Now I am sure you are asking why we would decide to not fix a bug and here is why.

One thing we have to remain very sensitive of when changing armor is that once we have implemented it in the live game, players grow attached to it. Although there may be some who are frustrated by the appearance not being 100% canonical, we have to be very sensitive to players who do actually enjoy the current appearance of the armor in the game. An example of this would be when we made changes to a few armor sets, such as the Spymaster’s set, due to display bugs. After making those changes players were understandably upset that we had now changed the appearance of an armor set which they had paid for, we want to make sure to not replicate this issue again.

I know there will be some of you who are unhappy about our choice to not adjust the double hoods but fear not, we are not making this decision lightly. In fact, we are going to continue to monitor this as we move forward. If we see a substantial number of players in favor of changing the double hoods, then we will do so but please understand that if we make this change in the future we will not be releasing a “classic” version of the Revan’s armor (as it exists now).

-eric
I really dont think you can compare this situation to what happened with the Spymaster's and other sets. With those sets, you essentially left off a lot of the extra fluff that was supposed to be there. Anyone who reads these forums regularly will know that a lot people really want to see more simplistic looking armors, therefore there were a lot of people who enjoyed those sets as they originally were.

With this, you have a set that makes no sense. It doesnt look any more simple or any more advanced. It just makes it look off and incorrect. I highly doubt there are many people who actually like the idea of having a robe with two hoods.
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MaximilianPower
05.06.2013 , 01:18 PM | #99
I'm curious: is there a single forum member who claims to actually prefer the look of the bugged item? If so, it would lend some support to this decision. But I'm somewhat dubious that such a person actually exists. Personally, I don't have strong feelings about the issue, but it seems absurd to leave it the way it is if BW can easily implement a fix.

Yes, I saw the post from the guy who said "leave it be" - but his reasoning was essentially that "nobody cares" (which clearly is not entirely accurate, given the ten pages of posts here). Not that he prefers the current model.

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MillionsKNives
05.06.2013 , 01:21 PM | #100
Just a few things to contemplate:

1) The bug likely originated in them making all new armors compatible with the hood toggle, which is why there are two hoods. Someone just forgot to hid one of them (likely the hood down). They may not consider it worth fixing because hood toggle is getting close to being ready, but can't come out and say that yet.

2) By wearing a headpiece that causes the hood to disappear you can effectively get a hood-down version of the armor. If they remove it then this is not possible until an actual toggle is in place. This may upset a certain amount of players who like this.

3) The down hood isn't too noticeable unless you're looking at it.

4) They were burned last time they went to go back and fix a bug and want to avoid it this time. Plus putting out classic pieces I'm sure caused a certain amount of headaches.

5) They are looking for player feedback so that if/when players complain about them going ahead with changing it they can go back and say "look right here, you all said you wanted it, where were you then?"


Personally I'm still holding out hope on 1), but I don't really have a stance one way or another on the two hoods for now. I'd really like if they would fix the coloring on the chestpiece and pants though. It was a lot darker when they first released it.