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Why isn't there a WZ quitters cooldown?

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Why isn't there a WZ quitters cooldown?
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Aebrynis
03.25.2013 , 10:36 AM | #201
[QUOTE=MotorCityMan;6047128][QUOTE=Caeliux;6047027] Blah Blah
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8/10 One person trolling this thread has almost single handedly kept it going until the proverbial dead horse has been minced and liquefied. Not bad.
The part that amuses me in all of this is that the argument is entirely academic (although 'academic' might be a bit too charitable a term). EAWare is never going to institute zonedrop cooldowns or debuffs. We need to face it - they just aren't going to. Period.

Caeliux has given his opinion. That's all it is, an opinion. Others disagree with him. That's all they are, opinions. The only truth in this entire debate is the almighty dollar (or euro, or pound sterling, or whatever). EAWare isn't going to run the risk of ticking too many people off, and the suggested penalties would be far more headache than they're worth, and bite into the cash reserves. Even a slow stream of people leaving the game would be felt by the bean-counters who are tasked with giving the game direction.

This isn't a case of a more or less united front (such as APAC server issues), or an obvious majority of people asking for a feature (same-gender relationships and such). The opinions here are all over the place, and no one has a lock on 'The Truth'. That being the case, EAWare is going to take the path of least resistance: They will leave things exactly as they are.

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WickedImage
03.25.2013 , 10:37 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
I agree some are mo re tolerate than others, but it still a excuse to leave and screw a game is is good enough for me to want a deserter buff for it.

Disconnects and real life is one thing, rage quitting over a opinion is another.
People daily and constantly sit at nodes, partially afk, doing nothing to contribute to the match....."screwing the game". What if I want to leave that match?
Pfft. The door goes both ways. I'd quit playing the game before I would let the devs dictate that type of penalty to me for wanting to seek a more enjoyable experience.
It's laughable this is still such a hot topic. Balance will solve alot of this. Penalties arent needed, not to mention they're simple minded fixes......
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Caeliux
03.25.2013 , 10:46 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Aebrynis View Post
EAWare is never going to institute zonedrop cooldowns or debuffs. We need to face it - they just aren't going to. Period.
I agree with this and face it, but will still hope for it.
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DarthMaulUK
03.25.2013 , 11:41 AM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
I will answer what League of Legends says when people use this excuse,

"Q: This sucks. I just leave when my teammates are newbs.
A: Newbs hate it when people leave too."

If anyone can understand that let me know.

This game should not care to hear excuses for leaving people behind, it should punish those that have a biased opinion.

Sure everyone has a opinion and yes some people play like they never played a mmo game before, but it still gives no reason to leave people to play that match you started and allowing a game to become backfill.
You clearly just dont have a clue do you? I bet you own the entire Sims collections at home as well judging by your view on this.

Unfortunately, you can't teach someone common sense and since Bioware arent selling Common Sense Cartel packs, people who are stupid should be removed. Its that simple.

If your node is left unguarded, common sense says that someone, anyone, SHOULD go and guard it. Why didnt I? I was at the other node guarding alone. I see no reason why I should battle hard, work hard only for it to be dashed through stupidity. It just doesnt have its place.

You moan about how selfish people are for quitting - well here's a thought - just how selfish are people for not actually using their brains? Its not a big ask - the objectives are pretty straight forward and even if by lvl 50 you havent entered a warzone, logic says that you research it all first.

PvP is no place for the brainless.

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DarthMaulUK
03.25.2013 , 11:43 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Atramar View Post
The rule is, we can punish people for playing bad, with quitting.
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Caeliux
03.25.2013 , 11:48 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
You moan about how selfish people are for quitting - well here's a thought - just how selfish are people for not actually using their brains?
So being egotistical and elitist is the excuse to actually quit?

I laugh at the concept of being a tough guy in a quitter shirt.

Let me explain,

You quitters think your pro for quitting, and the reason you quit is because of bads.

What about games you quit and the people that stayed actually win?

Wouldn't that make you bad and being a little child that left way too early because your premature assumptions are biased opinions?

You have nothing more to add to this topic, the whole chest pounding and everyone is bad excuse is not a good enough reason to leave a warzone.

It just makes you look like crybabys.
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DarthMaulUK
03.25.2013 , 12:14 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
So being egotistical and elitist is the excuse to actually quit?

I laugh at the concept of being a tough guy in a quitter shirt.

Let me explain,

You quitters think your pro for quitting, and the reason you quit is because of bads.

What about games you quit and the people that stayed actually win?

Wouldn't that make you bad and being a little child that left way too early because your premature assumptions are biased opinions?

You have nothing more to add to this topic, the whole chest pounding and everyone is bad excuse is not a good enough reason to leave a warzone.

It just makes you look like crybabys.
Does it? This will be my last post on this, because clearly you are one of these MP players who cant grasp the simple idea of how a war zone works - then complain like an old woman when people quit around you.

It has NOTHING to do with egos, chest pounding or any other kind of stupid comment you made above but has EVERYTHING to do with people like you. Maybe you should go back to the sims where using the brain isnt really required, because clearly, a warzone is just too difficult for you to grasp.

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Caeliux
03.25.2013 , 12:31 PM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
Does it? This will be my last post on this, because clearly you are one of these MP players who cant grasp the simple idea of how a war zone works
A warzone works by clicking it, entering it, trying the best I can, and finishing it without making excuses what just happened.

Yep that concept is what it should be, but no elitist and quitters think it should be this,

1. If perfection isn't meant quit

2. If there is bads quit

3. All the above

Making excuses don't prove nothing and makes quitters look like crybabys, therefore a punishment needs in order in this game for that mentality.
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TridusSWTOR
03.25.2013 , 12:47 PM | #209
[QUOTE=Aebrynis;6048198][QUOTE=MotorCityMan;6047128]
Quote: Originally Posted by Caeliux View Post
Blah Blah

The part that amuses me in all of this is that the argument is entirely academic (although 'academic' might be a bit too charitable a term). EAWare is never going to institute zonedrop cooldowns or debuffs. We need to face it - they just aren't going to. Period.

Caeliux has given his opinion. That's all it is, an opinion. Others disagree with him. That's all they are, opinions. The only truth in this entire debate is the almighty dollar (or euro, or pound sterling, or whatever). EAWare isn't going to run the risk of ticking too many people off, and the suggested penalties would be far more headache than they're worth, and bite into the cash reserves. Even a slow stream of people leaving the game would be felt by the bean-counters who are tasked with giving the game direction.

This isn't a case of a more or less united front (such as APAC server issues), or an obvious majority of people asking for a feature (same-gender relationships and such). The opinions here are all over the place, and no one has a lock on 'The Truth'. That being the case, EAWare is going to take the path of least resistance: They will leave things exactly as they are.
After reading this thread, the bold part is the biggest factor in play.

From a business stand point, people not wanting to participate in a area of your game should raise concern.
Why aren't they interested?
How do we keep them interested?
How do we make it more interesting for first timers?

These are the questions Bioware has to ask themselves in order for players to get involved in certain aspects of the game. One thing stands true, you are paying Bioware for a service. That service is in competition with a lot of other companies that will offer similar services. So the goal has to be making your service the better choice for entertainment purposes, after all it's a game.

Adding a deserter debuff just inconveniences a player. Any other paying services, something like this wouldn't fly with a customer. Go to a restaurant and order a steak rare, but it comes back well cooked. Chances are you will send it back and not have the waiter tell you "lol excuses".

Inconvenience a customer that is paying with their money? They'll take their business else where, simple as that.

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MotorCityMan
03.25.2013 , 01:23 PM | #210
[QUOTE=MotorCityMan;6047128][QUOTE=Caeliux;6047027] Blah Troll Blah
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8/10 One person trolling this thread has almost single handedly kept it going until the proverbial dead horse has been minced and liquefied. Not bad.


Caeliux 42 posts in this thread out of 208, many of them copy and paste. If it hits 400, will have to up my rating to 9/10.