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Commando - Which cell in PvP, armor or plasma

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Commando - Which cell in PvP, armor or plasma

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WIZBASKY
03.17.2013 , 01:51 AM | #1
Plasma or Armoring Piercing

I am 90% Gunnery Spec, I know that takes advantage of the Armor pierc cell by giving 1 energy back per/6 secs, But i could swear i do more dps with the plaamsa cell procccing.

Anyone done test with these 2 cells

I have shot full auto and basic shoot at a mob with armor cell and plasma cell (forget the proc of plasma) the damage is about the same.

I would have thought the armoro peirce cell would be higher to ofset no proc, but they about the same.

Anyone done any dps tests on dummies which cell is better.

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Llama-Eight
03.17.2013 , 02:11 AM | #2
You'd need to do a decent sample of shots against a target as the damage dealt is based on a range, so you could have had a low roll with the AP cell & a high roll with the plasma cell.

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Helig
03.17.2013 , 02:23 AM | #3
ArP is much better for Gunnery because untalented Plasma is rather unimpressive and it takes away all the talent synergy with ArP.

Extra ammo regen alone is amazing. More ammo means more specials (means more DPS), and it makes the resource thresholds more forgiving, since it's not affected by regen degeneration. If you overextend (which may happen when you need to finish someone no matter the cost and recharge isn't available), you'll recover from being empty much quicker.
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cashogy_reborn
03.17.2013 , 02:26 AM | #4
your cell is dependent on what tree you spec into
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WiggsMagee
03.17.2013 , 06:14 AM | #5
If your gunnery you use AP cell, little point using plasma
If your assault you use plasma
I'm undecided which spec is better for PvP, had half my guild telling me how gunnery is terrible for PvP and Assault is so much better but i can fairly similar numbers with both specs

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Helig
03.17.2013 , 06:23 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by WiggsMagee View Post
If your gunnery you use AP cell, little point using plasma
If your assault you use plasma
I'm undecided which spec is better for PvP, had half my guild telling me how gunnery is terrible for PvP and Assault is so much better but i can fairly similar numbers with both specs
From my experience, Assault is good all'round, but Gunnery frontloaded spikes are amazing enough to consider when the character is geared to the eyebrows.
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iamef
03.17.2013 , 06:32 AM | #7
Unlike most skill trees, I think Gunnery only has one talent that actually requires you to be in armor piercing cell, the cell charger talent you mentioned above. I would imagine in a WZ you could get higher overall DPS running plasma cell even if spec'd into gunnery because of the plasma cell proc, assuming you are going around shooting a bunch of targets. On the flip side, I would think you would lose some single target dps without the increased armor penetration, for instance when you hit a target w/ 5 stacks of grav round with demo round. And, it is easy of course also for commandos to burn up our ammo, so the cell charger talent can't be easily dismissed.

I guess it's up to you what you think is best, but generally in PvP I think being able to kill a single target is higher up on the priority list than just lighting a bunch on fire with what will be a mediocre DoT.
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DariusCalera
03.17.2013 , 10:24 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
From my experience, Assault is good all'round, but Gunnery frontloaded spikes are amazing enough to consider when the character is geared to the eyebrows.
I've tried running both in WZs and, to me, Commando Assault just feels too clunky with the abilities not fitting well together. Not to mention the ammo regen in Assault is abysmal.

With Gunnery, the skills seemed to flow into one another a lot better. Besides, if I wanted to run assault in something, I'd just do it on my VG with half the effort of a commando.

To OP: If you're running a gunnery specced commando, the AP cell is what you want.

Quote: Originally Posted by iamef View Post
I guess it's up to you what you think is best, but generally in PvP I think being able to kill a single target is higher up on the priority list than just lighting a bunch on fire with what will be a mediocre DoT.
This as well.

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Helig
03.18.2013 , 04:21 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by DariusCalera View Post
I've tried running both in WZs and, to me, Commando Assault just feels too clunky with the abilities not fitting well together. Not to mention the ammo regen in Assault is abysmal.

With Gunnery, the skills seemed to flow into one another a lot better. Besides, if I wanted to run assault in something, I'd just do it on my VG with half the effort of a commando.
Because Assault is a 100% different playstyle from Gunnery. Assault is about being on your toes, and mimizing exposure time. You don't spam powersots to proc HiB. You DoT and bomb stuff up, then hammershoot it while constantly maneuvering. When you get openings, you finish them off with a spike. Charged bolts/powershots apply when you can afford standing still. Very flexible, but can be rather clunky, as well, as you said.

In case of Gunnery, however, the reward vs punishment balance for low mobility tilts towards reward. It can still do heavy damage on the move/LoS-dancing, provided you had the time to fire 2-3 gravs. I would not, however, advise running Gunnery without optimized WH and above, because reward vs risk of standing still ratio greatly diminishes at lower gear levels.
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DariusCalera
03.18.2013 , 09:18 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
Because Assault is a 100% different playstyle from Gunnery. Assault is about being on your toes, and mimizing exposure time. You don't spam powersots to proc HiB. You DoT and bomb stuff up, then hammershoot it while constantly maneuvering. When you get openings, you finish them off with a spike. Charged bolts/powershots apply when you can afford standing still. Very flexible, but can be rather clunky, as well, as you said.
Flexible is not the word I would use. Poor imitation of the VG Assault is better. OK, so that's more than a word.

The actual mobility between each build is relatively similar. With the only real difference is that Assault gets an extra instant attack in Incendiary Round. Which, due to its high ammo cost, its situational in it's use. Spam that a few times and you're out of ammo and just using Hammer Shot.

Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
In case of Gunnery, however, the reward vs punishment balance for low mobility tilts towards reward. It can still do heavy damage on the move/LoS-dancing, provided you had the time to fire 2-3 gravs. I would not, however, advise running Gunnery without optimized WH and above, because reward vs risk of standing still ratio greatly diminishes at lower gear levels.
For the most part I agree. But I think gunnery has more mobility that what you are giving it credit for.

Both builds though suffer from the same basic flaws of being self rooting ranged classes that are extremely vulnerable to interrupts.