Selecting need for loot

I have a few more people on my side than just me.

The community would love to know the servers and character names of all these righteous players. Of course since they're so upstanding and on the right side of this debate, they've nothing to fear by providing that information, right?

I always select "NEED". They should just remove the other button. I have no idea why there's any option. I pick need. I need everything.

Ooohhh, it's the return of the "because I said so" troll. How you been?

Nothing to fear? Yeah, right.

People who have a different view than you should provide the names of server and character? Why? So that they can be "punished" for simply having different views? In all likelihood, not one of those players who has a different view than you has ever done anything to you or broken any game rules. Yet there are people who want to punish them despite that fact, in a pre-emptive move. "Guilty until proven innocent?"

How far will that "punishment" go? Some will claim that they will only add the others to their ignore lists, yet we have those posters int his thread that have openly stated their intent to "name and shame" them in fleet, ostracize them and otherwise try to make any offender's life as miserable as they possibly can.

For simply having a different opinion, or sticking up for your own rights, or the rights of others?

So, yeah, those with differing views really have nothing to fear.

I don't want to punish anyone. I just want to put them on my ignore list so I'm not faced with the hassle of vote-kicking them and putting them on my ignore list later.

There's nothing to fear there. They won't appreciate my reaction to their rolling need on stuff they don't need so it's a win-win, right?

Oh, wait, if you're saying yourself that they fear community will ostracize them, isn't that an admission that what they're doing is socially unacceptable? Interesting how that logic thing works...

You're either really slow or you haven't been paying attention.

Waaaaah

"Social convention" does not make it right. "Socially acceptable" isn't always right. Hard to fathom, I know, but sometimes the majority is wrong. Sometimes the majority just has a different view. There is power in numbers, but sometimes it is the power of the mob mentality.

If it is simply that you want to put them on your ignore list and won't have someone roll need for a companion, then why do you need my characters names and server? If I don't roll need for a companion, what need is there for me to be on your ignore list, or anyone's ignore list?

If people intend to roll Need on stuff they don't, it's far more convenient for me and them to simply never be grouped. They MIGHT get the item they rolled Need on, but they will certainly be vote-kicked from my group. Or, I guess, the group can instead vote-kick the tank or healer (whichever I happen to be playing at the time). I'm sure the group will wisely select the most socially acceptable and convenient option in that moment.

Just seems like a smart move to get the ignore lists ironed out, doesn't it? That way nobody's wasting time being grouped with people whose "opinions" differ and subsequently being inconvenienced by being forcibly removed from groups.

Now if you don't intend to roll need for stuff you don't actually need, there wouldn't be any advantage to getting all that stuff out of the way ahead of time, would there?

Believe me, I'm right there with you that sometimes the majority is wrong. Hell, 1,000 years ago -everybody- thought our planet was flat. They were so convinced of this that they imprisoned and threatened to kill very smart people who were brash enough to disagree and offer evidence while doing so.

However, this isn't one of those times. This isn't a disagreement over a scientific fact. This is actually a debate about socially acceptable behavior. In such debates, the only way to determine "right" is by understanding the (seemingly vast) majority opinion. And, of course, the admission of those arguing the counter-point that they realize they're in the wrong helps too, as you did when you admitted they fear being ostracized. The righteous tend to stand proudly and proclaim their correctness rather than hiding behind a wall flinging *****.