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Selecting need for loot


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Khevar
03.28.2013 , 08:45 PM | #881
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
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You stated the rule as ""Always Greed or Pass on all loot drops everywhere with one exception: 'You can Need a direct upgrade to your main toon currently in the group'" If even exotech is not a "DIRECT" upgrade, then does the player who wants the direct upgrade for their companion have the right to roll need for their companion if another player rolls need?

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Here is my opinion on how this should be handled:

If nobody in the group can get a direct upgrade to their main toon for the Exotech drop, nobody Need on it. Anyone who would like to have it Greeds it.

If the player would like to Need it for his/her companion, ask "Can I need on this for my companion?"

If the companion is filling in a spot in the group, and the drop is a direct upgrade for said companion, I think it is 100% fair to Need for the companion no matter what.

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Ratajack
03.28.2013 , 08:52 PM | #882
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
Here is my opinion on how this should be handled:

If nobody in the group can get a direct upgrade to their main toon for the Exotech drop, nobody Need on it. Anyone who would like to have it Greeds it.

If the player would like to Need it for his/her companion, ask "Can I need on this for my companion?"

If the companion is filling in a spot in the group, and the drop is a direct upgrade for said companion, I think it is 100% fair to Need for the companion no matter what.
I respect your opinion, although not everyone shares that same opinion, just as you and I do not entirely have the same views. We've already seen people in this thread state that they do not care if a player is using their companion in an FP, that player should not roll need for that companion, no matter what.

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Khevar
03.28.2013 , 09:19 PM | #883
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I respect your opinion, although not everyone shares that same opinion, just as you and I do not entirely have the same views. We've already seen people in this thread state that they do not care if a player is using their companion in an FP, that player should not roll need for that companion, no matter what.
Fair enough.

I believe I've made a decent argument that following this rule results in players gearing up their main toons faster. This rule is founded, not in the idea that "I'm more important than you", but in "You are more important than my companion." This rule works if someone is willing to give up loot now, to get loot later. It is, in my opinion, a less selfish view.

If someone doesn't care about this and wants to Need for their companion anyway, without asking first, and happen to be grouped with 3 other people who DO care, they're going to get a bad reaction. Nothing is going to change that.

My purpose in this thread is to present a rational, cogent argument on behalf of why Needing only on main toon upgrades is a good thing. If someone is on the fence on this subject, reads this thread, and decides that it is a good idea, I'm happy.

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CharleyDanger
03.28.2013 , 10:59 PM | #884
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I respect your opinion, although not everyone shares that same opinion, just as you and I do not entirely have the same views. We've already seen people in this thread state that they do not care if a player is using their companion in an FP, that player should not roll need for that companion, no matter what.
You are still going? Wow, 2 weeks of being the only person defending needing for a companion. I kind of respect that you stick to your guns, but 2 weeks and 89 pages is crazy. The worst part is that the OP did not even try to help you out. Maybe he quit the game after getting put on everyone's ignore list.

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Draak
03.28.2013 , 10:59 PM | #885
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Did you solo the bosses that dropped the scattergun and tanking legs? I'm betting you didn't. If you didn't, then everyone who participated in the fight has the right to roll on the loot dropped.

Every player in the group is an "actual real person" and a player's companions are an integral part of the game and as important as their character. When you're not in a group, do you play without your companion or do you use your companion for extra DPS, tanking or heals?
Did your companion participate in the boss fight?? if not.. ****.

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Ratajack
03.28.2013 , 11:31 PM | #886
Quote: Originally Posted by Draak View Post
Did your companion participate in the boss fight?? if not.. ****.
Did the PLAYER participate in the boss fight? If so, ...

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CharleyDanger
03.28.2013 , 11:55 PM | #887
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Did the PLAYER participate in the boss fight? If so, ...
How many times have you made this point? The debate has just gone in circles for the last 30 pages. Why cant you just accept that the vast majority of the community disagrees with you and the OP (the only two people I have ever seen defend rolling need for a companion btw) No one is saying the OP does not have the right to roll need, we are just saying that it is a dick move. How many pages are you going to keep going for? 99? 107? maybe 200? The worst part is that you do not even roll need for your companion. You are just defending people that do. 89 pages spent defending something that you yourself do not do lol. You have problems bro.

EDIT: If you are trolling... I swear on everything I love in this word... I will burn all my money, hitchhike to South America, steal 7 chickens, pluck those 7 chickens, stick the feathers up my ***, roam the hillsides, yell out quizzy koo koo ka jank jank, and become known as the urban legend of the crazy man with the *** of a chicken.

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cidbahamut
03.29.2013 , 07:11 AM | #888
I see that Ratajack and Icestar are still posting. Is it safe to assume the discussion hasn't made any progress since I last posted?

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Icestar
03.29.2013 , 07:20 AM | #889
Quote: Originally Posted by cidbahamut View Post
I see that Ratajack and Icestar are still posting. Is it safe to assume the discussion hasn't made any progress since I last posted?
This discussion will not make any more progress unless Bioware responds to the massive feedback they get from the community.

It is like a wheel that goes round and round with Ratajack on one side and the rest of the community on the other side

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Ratajack
03.29.2013 , 11:31 AM | #890
Quote: Originally Posted by CharleyDanger View Post
How many times have you made this point? The debate has just gone in circles for the last 30 pages. Why cant you just accept that the vast majority of the community disagrees with you and the OP (the only two people I have ever seen defend rolling need for a companion btw) No one is saying the OP does not have the right to roll need, we are just saying that it is a dick move. How many pages are you going to keep going for? 99? 107? maybe 200? The worst part is that you do not even roll need for your companion. You are just defending people that do. 89 pages spent defending something that you yourself do not do lol. You have problems bro.

EDIT: If you are trolling... I swear on everything I love in this word... I will burn all my money, hitchhike to South America, steal 7 chickens, pluck those 7 chickens, stick the feathers up my ***, roam the hillsides, yell out quizzy koo koo ka jank jank, and become known as the urban legend of the crazy man with the *** of a chicken.

I guess I'm just one of those crazy people that can actually accept and respect that others may have different views than I have. This does not make them wrong, just different. I do not have to agree with a given viewpoint in order to defend the person who's view it is and that person's right to express and act on that opinion.

Btw. the OP and I are not the only ones in this thread defending a player's right to roll need. If you had actually read the entire thread you would know that. If you did read the entire thread, and do know that, I would appreciate you being more honest in your statements.

Those who wish to claim that the companion didn't participate inthe fight are more than welcome to continue ignoring that fact that the PLAYER did contribute, and that it is the PLAYER who is being denied the chance to roll need, not the companion. If it makes you feel better about trying to take another person's rights away from them(even if only in a video game), then knock yourself out.