Selecting need for loot

And this is where I think you're wrong. It seems obvious that most people know the social conventions. You do too. Yet you choose to feign ignorance or play the "it's not against the rules" card to shield you. But you're not fooling anyone here.

As I keep saying, you're going to get ostracized by society when you break taboos. And you can defend your position all you want about how the majority is wrong. That's fine. I'm not going to argue with you over that. You even know the social standards and follow them because you know there are repercussions. So I'm not sure why you're arguing with me. You're not going to make me change my mind and I'm not going to make you change your mind.

In the end, we both know there's rules of etiquette. I follow them because I believe in their necessity for group benefit. You seem to follow them because you don't want to get ostracized. That's all I care about. I have almost never seen a person willingly roll need on all gear or take over someone else's toon for their own companion. I've played a lot of FP's in this game and if it has happened, I know the person got kicked from the group real fast.

And that's all I care about. That you either go along with the unspoken rules or you get kicked (which BW definitely allows since that's why the tool is in place - to kick someone that the other people do not like).

So, I think we're done here. =)

Funny when you're trying to justify taking an item for a lifeless pet that follows you around in only some places you travel or when the other person justifies it because the pixels look so cool. Lol... hi pot, meet kettle. It can easily be said that you look selfish for wanting to take from another player simply because the armor looks soooo sweet or because Jaesa Robo-Mannequin #3425 would get a marginal stat upgrade.

Let's get one thing straight. Do not make the mistake of thinking that I follow "social convention" because I fear the consequences. I do not give a rat's tookus about your threats of consequences or the fact that you think being a member of the majority makes you right. It does not make you right, but it apparently gives you the sense that you can force your views upon others who do not share your "right" opinion. I choose to follow the "social convention" because I think it is the courteous thing to do, not because you or even the majority think it is.

I find it just as courteous to accept that others may not share my views and not to ostracize or otherwise attempt to punish them simply because they do not share my views.

The second point is where we can agree to disagree. I understand that some will attempt to punish each and every person who does not share their views. I do not agree with that stance, but the fact that I do not agree with it does not make it "wrong".

I find it ironic at best t that apparently most people are perfectly fine expecting courtesy in one respect (need for character only), even if not all members of the group share that view, yet refuse to extend courtesy to someone who does share their views(kick the person who needs for companion and then possibly name and shame him in fleet chat in the hopes that he is ostracized). I have just as much trouble wrapping my head around that concept as people apparently have wrapping their heads around the fact that I choose to follow "social convention" yet will defend someone who does not.

Funny when you're trying to justify taking an item for a lifeless pet that follows you around in only some places you travel or when the other person justifies it because the pixels look so cool. Lol... hi pot, meet kettle. It can easily be said that you look selfish for wanting to take from another player simply because the armor looks soooo sweet or because Jaesa Robo-Mannequin #3425 would get a marginal stat upgrade.

Can you honestly tell me you've never selected a shell based on how it looks?

Funny when you're trying to justify taking an item for a lifeless pet that follows you around in only some places you travel or when the other person justifies it because the pixels look so cool. Lol... hi pot, meet kettle. It can easily be said that you look selfish for wanting to take from another player simply because the armor looks soooo sweet or because Jaesa Robo-Mannequin #3425 would get a marginal stat upgrade.

You are aware that some players choose to actually control their companions and not let the AI handle that? That would make the companion no less a "lifeless pet" than your character that you control.

You can try to justify taking loot from another player by refusing to allow him a chance to roll need by claiming you want it for your "character-you know the person" and the other player wants it for his "companion-the lifeless pet" all you want. What you are knowingly ignoring is that neither character nor companion is the person. The person is the PLAYER you are taking the loot from. The player who wants it for his companion is not trying to take the loot away from you by telling you that you cannot roll need because he wants it for his companion, he is simply asking for a fair chance at it by being the chance to roll need along with you.

You can disagree with me all you want, but try to justify it all you want, but that does not change the facts.

It's the exact same thing as being too lazy to get properly modded gear before one enters a flashpoint. At the point that someone has such lousy gear that he or she indeed needs all those drops for the stat improvements, I reserve the right to votekick them before we even get started. How does that sound? Pretty much like every operation: if you didn't put in the effort to get geared properly, you get kicked. In leveling content, you can easily gear yourself on par or even beyond the drops from the content in advance.
There is no need possible for the stats from lootdrops in leveling flashpoints. The only thing unique to the drops from flashpoints are their cosmetics, which is why those are the only logical reason to need on those items.

Take the blinders off. I don't expect you to leave this game because you don't follow certain rules of courtesy I find to be standards in an MMO. But don't expect me to continue playing with you.

As a character in a cartoon once said, "I respect your decision to eat tofu-vegetarian burgers. Please respect my decision not to." If you like to smoke cigs, cool! That's your choice, but if I decide not to hang out with you at places that are allowed to smoke because I don't like the smell of smoke, that should be fine too. You seem to think that I should be forced to stay grouped with you just because you like to do things differently. No, now you're impeding on my right to not group with you. If I initiate a vote-kick but the other people don't care and don't kick you, obviously I'm in the minority and I can either go along with the way they do things or leave the group.

I'm not going to force someone to follow social convention, but I'm not going to be forced to stay grouped with someone who chooses not to.

Are you really going to take the other 3 members rights away from finding a suitable replacement because the 4th member does things that the other 3 don't like? You? The white knight of rights and freedoms. Are you going to take our right away? Cuz it sure sounds like it...