Selecting need for loot

Thank you I'm glad you think so.

Just me, but doesn't need rolling only really present a problem if the player is needing every roll? What's so hard about talking with your group? Also we have bind timers for a reason. Nobody in this game is consistently playing with the same loot ninja over and over are they? I'd say any groups that are having issues with loot rolls need to stop, take a breath, and....gasp, communicate. Problem solved.

EDIT: I guess my point is there is no "silver bullet" for looting issues and it will always be a situational thing, no matter how right you feel about your stance.

Even though I feel I'm right, I'm not saying I'm right simply because everyone else agrees with me.

My posts at the beginning aren't talking about right or wrong. It's talking about what will happen if you decide to break social taboos. Do you agree or disagree that when you don't adhere to social standards of a community that you will most likely get ostracized and ignored? If you agree, then there's nothing to argue here.

The truth is that it's a social taboo within the MMO Community of Tor. Do you really want to argue that it isn't a social taboo? Do you really want to argue that it's not the majority view? My arguing that it's right or wrong is a secondary argument. My original position:

Please point me to anywhere in my statement that you're arguing against because nothing in there says that you're wrong for believing what you believe. You're just wrong to assume that going against the grain will make you free of community backlash.

Loot is the property of the group.

If the rules of the group (implied or explicit) mean that he has no right to select Need on that piece of loot, then that is the way it is. You can choose to interpret that as saying that the scoundrel has no right to the loot if you wish.

He still has the choice to ask the group "Can i please chose need and compete with the vanguard for the chance to get this loot?" If the group says yes than in that scenario the rules have been stretched to accommodate his request.

I said that to enable people to think about the mechanics of what the buttons do without preconceptions.

I never said one should need indiscriminately. And yes, it does lead to less conflict because in most cases there is no one that "needs" it according to your definition. Therefore the need button can also separate the people who can use it for some other reason vs. people who will sell it to a vendor.

P.S. I do not mean conflict as in a shouting match. I mean that multiple people claim an item and it needs to be resolved.

An enlightened response.

I agree that failing to adhere to social standards will result in backlash. I also adhere to those standards in-game.

I simply feel that the social standards could stand to see some renovation.

Okay, you're entitled to your opinion. Good luck with that buddy. I think you and I are done discussing as you feel you're right and I feel I'm right. Luckily, the majority sides with me so I don't have to lose out on drop rolls to someone who think his companion's gear is important... lol.

This only works if everybody is on the same page and has the same understanding... the only real difference to the social convention is that it is entirely up to the person who wins the need roll to decide who is "deserving" or not (assuming everyone chose need)

You mean preconceptions like what the button labels mean? lol