Selecting need for loot

It legit makes me laugh that people on a flashpoint mission with 3 other real human player characters thinks that a companion- who isnt even present or used in the flashpoint deserves any consideration at all in the loot rolls.

truly unbelievable.

Its how spoiled and selfish some people in the world have become.

The math behind it shouldn't matter though.
Unless the "social norm" is that contributing to a successful run does not warrant any compensation for one's efforts, then there shouldn't be any issue if someone decides that they'd like to choose a piece of loot that benefits their companion instead of their character.

Does contribution warrant compensation or are flashpoints supposed to be charity work?

No. These are not THE rules for loot distribution. They are YOUR rules. I do agree with you in spirit. But, they are not THE rules. It would be nice if there was an actual set of rules that ALL players would abide by but, there is not. The loop hole in your rules set is this. I as an actual player can claim ALL the gear as need because *I* the actual player am present so therefore it is mine to loot. That is the logic that those that want to hit need will use even abiding by YOUR rules. The important thing to do is present a set of rules up front to all in a PUG and vote on them. If you don't like the results find another PUG. If someone lies and violates what they agreed to, kick them from the group.

Like I said, you don't have to like the social norm, just abide by it or find yourself on a lot of ignore lists and find your groupfinder queue time getting even longer than it is now.

I'm saying that the general consensus is flawed and that it should be reexamined.

It's not charity work. You joined the flashpoint to: gain experience, get comms (if using the LFG tool), complete FP quests, and A CHANCE at loot. Sometimes you'll end up in a FP getting no drops, sometimes all the drops. That's how it works. It's the nature of RNG. You can't have the last piece of loot from the final boss just because you haven't gotten anything and now it's going to some guy who can't use it, but his toon he never plays gets to use it. That's the biggest misappropriation of loot there can be. That's as bad as someone saying, "I didn't get any drops so I'm taking this to vendor to compensate for my time in here".

That's not how it works. Why do you think your viewpoint is greater than 3 other people's viewpoint who are actively grouped with you and making efforts to complete the FP as well? You seem to think this is your viewpoint versus my viewpoint when it's more like your viewpoint versus the 3 other people in the group who would most likely disagree with you. So far I've seen like 3 or 4 people who actually side with you and over 10x as many people who disagree. Put those numbers into perspective.

He IS right though in that those ARE the default rules by which most flashpoints and ops gravitate towards, to the point of an unspoken rule there. They might not be hard coded in the game, but they ARE what most people use.

Which is why if you decide you want to buck the norm, always ask first if you want to continue running flashpoint groups - as long as a person who wants to roll for a comp is willing to back down and hit greed when someone else in the group needs it, I have no issues with someone asking to roll need on an item otherwise no one else really needs for their comp.

But the key is to ask, and to respect and back down if someone else legit needs it for their main.

But see, this requires social interaction and common courtesy. And what we've learned is that the people who are arguing for just blindly rolling need on items for their comp and not suffering any consequences is that these are selfish, antisocial jerks.

A FP is a risk, with a reward possible, not automatic. But again, if everyone went into it with the known fact that everyone was going to 'need' everything, all is well. That is not what happens though, people like OP know the social convention, expect everyone else to follow the social convention, and then game it and hit need to guarantee they get the roll. That is the real underlying issue of this thread.

If everyone one knows the rules, cool. When some take the known rules and then wait till the end to break them, assuring they get the loot, the other rules about kicking them comes into effect. If you want to need on anything or everything, state it. If the group disagrees, they'll boot you, which is fine. You have no RIGHT to that particular group, even if you feel you have a right to all the loot or a right to the FP.

But OP won't do that because if he states his intentions, he can't game the system and get what he wants.

Yes and no.

What you're trying to do is put all the blame on one side. If that's your plan, how hard is it to say "Hey I plan to roll need on gear my companion can use" from the start as well. That's what I do so that there isn't any hard feelings or misunderstandings.

It's far easier to say "Hey from the start I said that's what I'm doing" than trying to say "why wouldn't I do that" if no one "knows" to expect it.

That's why I just tell everyone when I roll for a companion, since I personally have no idea what's going on in their head.