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Selecting need for loot


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Ratajack
03.19.2013 , 02:06 PM | #311
Quote: Originally Posted by Lostpenguins View Post
Um, you can queue solo, but you're definitely not solo'ing the instance. You're waiting for 3 other people to queue with you. It's a group effort to uses the LFG tool. Because if no one else on the server clicks the LFG tool, then you can never do it "solo". That's a really bad way to try to spin solo into the LFG tool...

And companions may be an integral part of the game, but you could do this entire game w/out using a companion. It's harder, but doable. If you can solo the gear that drops in FP's with just a companion, then you're more than welcome to needing all the loot. You can't just justify taking gear for solo play earned through group effort.
But you can justify taking gear that you could not have created without the help of those others who's right to roll you wish to deny? When you can solo the bosses and create all the loot all by yourself, then can have all the loot to yourself.

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Arlon_Nabarlly
03.19.2013 , 02:10 PM | #312
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
But why is their character more important?
Because there character is there character not a pet...

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Ratajack
03.19.2013 , 02:14 PM | #313
Quote: Originally Posted by Emencie View Post
By that logic... we should all roll need on everything. Every single person can use ever single drop in the game weather for companions or selling. And every single person in a group helped produce the loot that was dropped.
Everyone has the right to do so. I choose not to exercise that right, but it is still my right to roll need. The fact that I choose not to exercise my right to roll need does not mean that the other members of my group must forfeit their right to roll need. I am simply trying to defend the rights of each and every player to roll need, in spite of "social convention". I'm sorry it offends you or anyone else.

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Urael
03.19.2013 , 02:20 PM | #314
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Everyone has the right to do so. I choose not to exercise that right, but it is still my right to roll need. The fact that I choose not to exercise my right to roll need does not mean that the other members of my group must forfeit their right to roll need. I am simply trying to defend the rights of each and every player to roll need, in spite of "social convention". I'm sorry it offends you or anyone else.
^QFE ... This.

Bottom line before you PUG discuss the loot rules with the group. If you don't like them then find another group. If someone lies and doesn't behave as they have agreed to ahead of time then kick them. This goes for tabbing thru cut scenes or any other group dynamic. Discuss beforehand if you don't like the result leave and find like minded people. There are no "social conventions" that are de facto.

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CelCawdro
03.19.2013 , 02:22 PM | #315
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Everyone has the right to do so. I choose not to exercise that right, but it is still my right to roll need. The fact that I choose not to exercise my right to roll need does not mean that the other members of my group must forfeit their right to roll need. I am simply trying to defend the rights of each and every player to roll need, in spite of "social convention". I'm sorry it offends you or anyone else.
Methinks you are confusing the word "right" with "ability." We have a right to absolutely nothing in this game - we signed them all away the moment we registered.

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Urael
03.19.2013 , 02:32 PM | #316
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
Methinks you are confusing the word "right" with "ability." We have a right to absolutely nothing in this game - we signed them all away the moment we registered.
Semantics. On the one hand "rights" is germain as it goes to "free will" on the other "ability" is only germain as it goes to button mashing. We did not "sign all our rights away" by signing the EULA. We still have ownership of our free will. So your arument is not valid in this case that is unless you were arguing the more subtle points of freedom vs. licence in that true freedom is to do what one aught and not what one wants.

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Ratajack
03.19.2013 , 02:39 PM | #317
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
Methinks you are confusing the word "right" with "ability." We have a right to absolutely nothing in this game - we signed them all away the moment we registered.
Maybe I should have used the word option, since that it really what it is. We all have the option to roll need, roll greed or pass. The OPTION to roll need is what some wish to deny others, without whom there would be no loot. In that vein, I will continue to defend the entire party's OPTION to roll need if they so choose, even though I will continue to roll greed on items that are not a direct upgrade for my character. If I am the only one rolling greed, and the rest of the party rolls need, then so be it.

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CelCawdro
03.19.2013 , 02:41 PM | #318
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
Semantics. On the one hand "rights" is germain as it goes to "free will" on the other "ability" is only germain as it goes to button mashing. We did not "sign all our rights away" by signing the EULA. We still have ownership of our free will. So your arument is not valid in this case that is unless you were arguing the more subtle points of freedom vs. licence in that true freedom is to do what one aught and not what one wants.
I never said that it wasn't semantics. The point is that this is a semantic issue. The poster was equating with his "player" rights to roll for his companion character to those in the Civil Rights movement who acted outside the norm to established a better one. Given that the term "right" is normally used in a very legalistic sense, I believe that it was being misused here.

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codycroft
03.19.2013 , 02:42 PM | #319
You have the right/opportunity/ability to push need, yes. But, if you don't want to be shunned by your community, it would be nice for you to state that you are going to hit need, and see what your community thinks of that. OP is an @ss primarily because he hits need without pre arranging the rules. He is getting that free 'what ever I want' item because he knows everyone is hitting greed and he'll hit need.

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CelCawdro
03.19.2013 , 02:46 PM | #320
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Maybe I should have used the word option, since that it really what it is. We all have the option to roll need, roll greed or pass. The OPTION to roll need is what some wish to deny others, without whom there would be no loot. In that vein, I will continue to defend the entire party's OPTION to roll need if they so choose, even though I will continue to roll greed on items that are not a direct upgrade for my character. If I am the only one rolling greed, and the rest of the party rolls need, then so be it.
Perfect. I don't think that anyone would argue this point, and I agree heartily. And even if you view this particular action as justified, there are still many others who do not. And they also have the option to use another game mechanic to deal with what they view as problematic behaviour.

Of course, this entire thread would be moot if people just learned to speak to each other and ask questions that start with, "Would it be alright with you if...?"