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Selecting need for loot


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Beaunidle
03.18.2013 , 07:32 AM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Now I'm just curious...

Running Black Talon on my Agent (Medium Armor Class), a Black Talon Marauder Tunic drops (Medium Armor Adaptive Chest Armor with +STR Mods)...not only do I need that piece of armor for the look and adaptive armor, I want it!

However, that said, the mods would of course be switched out.

What's the ruling? You can obviously use the item, and the replacing of mods is going to happen to anyone who rolls for it anyways.
If there's a marauder there that doesn't need it whole or the mods I'd ask politely and only need if no-one objected. Basic good manners.

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mdob
03.18.2013 , 08:28 AM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
If i did the same flashpoint 30-40 times in the hopes of getting an item then i must clearly be stock raving mad when I could just go hunt for an item thats even more powerful or complete other missions that will allow me to purchase a more powerful item. Theres no way i would do the same mission that many times in the hopes of getting one specific item...
You are showing your ignorance here. End game players know which items are "Best In Slot" and will do flashpoints or operations repeatedly to obtain the item. This may not apply to you yet, but if you advance in your game play you will be thankful for these social conventions. The community would fall into anarchy if we all used your current logic. If you choose to play with the rest of us, you will be kicked and ignored until you conform or run out of people to group with. Just accept that there are things you do not understand yet. The wise man knows he knows nothing.
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TheGreatFrosty
03.18.2013 , 08:31 AM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Jonrobbie View Post
Came across two flashpoints yesterday where I was verbally talked down to by a gamer each time for winning loot for my companion. I dont understand the big deal. Why the sense of entitlement over another gamer? If I see an item that would be needed for my companion to equip im going to roll for it. If someone else wins it, cool, good for them as far as im concerned. If i win it f, suddenly there are problems.
First flashpoint came across an item, i passed as neither i nor my companions needed it, Second one selected need for my tank. Got it. Third one, great for my tank, selected need, got it again. Then got told I was scum and voted off.
Second one, passed on two items, third one great for my tank, selected need and was told I had no right if it was for my companion and that I cant select need. I say why not? Out of 13 loot drops in that flashpoint i chose need on 2. How is that greedy?

As far as im concerned, im a paid subscriber. Why should some other gamer dictate to me what I can or cannot do to benefit them? If someone wants help on a mission or flashpoint and asks me, ill have no problem helping them but if i see something my tank needs, im selecting need. Im certainly not going to cry over it if someone else wins it. This sense of entitlement over someone else is baffling. There is no rulebook in the game that states that you cant do it and everyone who rolls for it has an equal chance
Etiquette, accepted standards, respect to the other, the thin hope that a human being would not be completely selfish.

There are a few reasons why people would expect you not to do this.

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codycroft
03.18.2013 , 08:57 AM | #184
OP is either a troll or a dishonest little Sh*t. He is gaming t he system and knows it. Common etiquette is the Need for your toon's upgrade, greed everything else. Those are the basic rules. If you ask if you can need prior to the FP then everyone knows the new rules. People like the OP don't say they want new rules at the start specifically so they can hit need and auto win that particular item because everyone else hit greed.

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DarthSylar
03.18.2013 , 09:15 AM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by codycroft View Post
OP is either a troll or a dishonest little Sh*t. He is gaming t he system and knows it. Common etiquette is the Need for your toon's upgrade, greed everything else. Those are the basic rules. If you ask if you can need prior to the FP then everyone knows the new rules. People like the OP don't say they want new rules at the start specifically so they can hit need and auto win that particular item because everyone else hit greed.
exactly, hence the tern ninja. you know people will get upset and hope that no one notices and you get the item you want.

BTW, would it be against forum rules if each server had a Ninja list? players can list the name (or legacy name) of known ninjas. you'd have to take it with a grain of salt, because someone could just be trolling, but it would be cool.

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JPryde
03.18.2013 , 09:18 AM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Now I'm just curious...

Running Black Talon on my Agent (Medium Armor Class), a Black Talon Marauder Tunic drops (Medium Armor Adaptive Chest Armor with +STR Mods)...not only do I need that piece of armor for the look and adaptive armor, I want it!

However, that said, the mods would of course be switched out.

What's the ruling? You can obviously use the item, and the replacing of mods is going to happen to anyone who rolls for it anyways.
The ruling is to actually use the chat and ASK, if it is okay to need it for the looks only.

Seriously, 99% of all social problems could easily be solved, if people were actually still talking to each other.
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Jeweledleah
03.18.2013 , 10:16 AM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSylar View Post
If you explained at the begging you wanted said item for looks, I'd probably be ok with it, if no one was in desperate need of the stats.

The better question is, if I am a Vengence Juggernaut and use the same stats as a Marauder, would we both roll need on the same items even though one uses heavy armor and the other medium? To me I'd say yes, because 99% of players rip the mods out of shells and I can use the mods just as much as the other player.

Several times this has been brought up on the forums and no one has given a legit reason as to why it's not OK.
if it were another game, I'd say because marauder cannot wear heavy armor like you can, so you have a gearing advantage over them already. but like you said - we're ripping out mods here.

so I'd say - if its a non tier piece, you both have equal right to it. personally. on a larger scale of things - communicate with the group and go with common decision. I would ask and explain. but I'm used to playing games where heavy/medium armor division actually makes a difference.

the thing about SWTOR is that gear is pretty easy to come by, so it really all comes down to community established behavior rules more then anything else. do you want to get along with people or be a lone wolf?

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Ratajack
03.18.2013 , 03:45 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
wait a minute, wait a minute. so your opinion is mature and people who disagree with you are childish and entitled?

ok then.

people have explained to you already why its not a good thing to do, for multiple reasons. you simply refuse to listen. don't be surprised when your flashpoint queues start taking longer and longer to pop then.
I'm not sure who you were addressing, but I think that trying to force my values upon others and expecting them to do as I choose to do and complaining when they do not is an immature attitude. Everyone has their own set of values and makes their own choices based on those values. In my opinion, the mature attitude is to accept this fact and not simply refer to those that have different values by derogatory names.

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Ratajack
03.18.2013 , 03:52 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
im guessing they asked the group first? Nothing wrong with wanting the cake and eating it too if the rest of the group confirms they are okay with it.
Not one of those players bothered to ask before needing for their companion, but everyone of them claimed need for character only when a piece they wanted for their character dropped. Maybe I've just had bad luck with groups. As I said, it was usually the tank that exhibited that type of behavior, so maybe I've just had the bad luck to be grouped with tanks who feel that since they are the tank, they can do whatever they want.

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Ratajack
03.18.2013 , 03:56 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by BaronV View Post
You could have chosen to roll for greed but you chose to roll need - automatically denying everyone who used greed for what it is for.. That is the action of a selfish person. And to then say that for others to deny you the right to deny them is extremely entitled is the height of hypocrisy.
Please show me where to find an in-game tool that defines what greed is for. I have not yet seen anything to define what greed is for versus what need is for, other than this "unwritten rule" invented by players trying to ensure that they get that new shiny they want.