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Kaggath Special Edition: Darth Vader vs. Jacen Solo

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Kaggath Special Edition: Darth Vader vs. Jacen Solo

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Ventessel
03.13.2013 , 05:07 PM | #1
Kaggath Special Edition

The Kaggath was an ancient, but rarely employed, rite of the Sith. One part duel, one part large-scale dejarik-match, the Kaggath pitted Sith against Sith unto humiliation and death.

The two combatants employed the full force of their armies, bases and ships to outwit and outmaneuver their opponent in an attempt to defeat each other's forces.

The battles had to be fought without any kind of outside help, in a direct confrontation of one Sith's power and assets against another's. The breach of any rule of the rite usually resulted in the execution of the offender by other Sith not involved in that particular Kaggath.

The arena of this deadly struggle is the entirety of the galaxy. There can be no surrender, no quarter will be asked and none will be given. When the smoke settles, only one combatant can remain.

This first round of the Special Edition will be somewhat different than previous battles. To begin with, each contestant will have their forces outlined, and then their supporters can propose opening moves for each side. After a period of debate, I will select the best, most successful strategic options presented for each side and release an update on the Kaggath, detailing the outcomes of the first stages of the conflict.

Another period of debate will ensue, and so forth, with each step of the conflict being assessed along the way until one side is crushed into oblivion by the other. The exact time periods of each stage are somewhat fluid, but remember that each combatant will have an equal amount of time, so if one undertakes a lengthy plan, this will give their opponent even more time to run amok and wreak havoc.



So, to begin we will be pitting two powerful force-users and their respective armies, fleets, and allies against each other.

Darth Vader: The original Sith warrior, Darth Vader strikes fear into the hearts of all who oppose him. Powerful in the Force, and lethal with a lightsaber, he also was one of the finest starfighter pilots of his day and was unafraid to fly into battle with his enemies.
Flagship: Executor-Super Star Destroyer
Navy: Death Squadron (Imperial II-class Star Destroyers, various support craft)
Ground Forces: 501st Stormtrooper Legion

Darth Caedus: A determined and shrewd commander, Jacen Solo fought through the Yuuzhong Vong wars and emerged battle-hardened and determined to unite the galaxy at all costs. He is an experienced saberist and skilled in Battle Meditation, as well as numerous other Force techniques.

Flagship: Anakin Solo, an experimental Star Destroyer outfitted with stealth technology and numerous personal modifications made by Darth Caedus.
Navy: Galactic Alliance Fourth Fleet (a collection of cruisers, Nebula Star Destroyers, and an Endurance-class Fleet carrier.)
Ground Forces: Galactic Alliance troopers and their support craft.

For the purpose of this Kaggath, consider the fleets of Vader and Caedus to be equal in terms of capital ship quantity, and their ground forces to be numerically comparable.

Each army is more than capable of subjugating a planet, although the skill and equipment may vary. Darth Vader's forces will have access to all starfighters seen in use at the Battle of Endor, while Caedus' forces will be outfitted with those in use by the Galactic Alliance at the time of the Battle of Sheddu Maad.

As usual, the technology level in a Kaggath is universal, to the extent that anything not considered advanced or archaic for its time period will be assessed as equal in capabilities to technology from other eras.


The galactic infrastructure is intact at the outset of the conflict, but no prominent organizations will be considered for the duration of the Kaggath. Supplies and weapons may be acquired so long as they are readily available, but any special effort exerted to acquire certain items will come at a cost in time and the risk of enemy intervention. Criminals, smugglers, bounty hunters, and assassins are all present, but none of any exceptional skill are available aside from those specifically associated with their respective combatants, such as the Galactic Alliance Guard or Imperial intelligence agents used by Vader.

Lastly, each combatant will have the assistance of their most prominent apprentice. Darth Vader will be assisted by Galen Marek, while Caedus will have Tahiri Veila. Neither apprentice is permitted to betray their master, as such would be a breach of the Kaggath, punishable with death by smiting.

Let the Kaggath begin!
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GarfieldJL
03.13.2013 , 05:19 PM | #2
Okay since Ben Skywalker isn't involved in this, I'll say this right now Galen will slaughter Tahri.

Fact of the matter is Darth Vader will be going into this thing royally pissed off. Jacen became a Sith Lord by killing Mara Jade Skywalker, that alone would really tick Vader off, if we throw in the fact that Jacen also took potshots at Luke, and then the torture of Ben Skywalker, we're going to see Vader enraged to the point we've never seen him before. He's not going to stop until he's killed Caedus.

The fleets are probably fairly evenly matched, and Vader is probably capable of pulling the same meditations that Jacen is. Difference here is that if we want to look at who is more enraged and sporting the power of the darkside, it would be Vader.

This would probably boil down to a fight between Caedus vs Darth Vader + Galen Marek, there is no way I can see Caedus taking them both on at the same time.

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Ventessel
03.13.2013 , 06:55 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Fact of the matter is Darth Vader will be going into this thing royally pissed off. Jacen became a Sith Lord by killing Mara Jade Skywalker, that alone would really tick Vader off, if we throw in the fact that Jacen also took potshots at Luke, and then the torture of Ben Skywalker, we're going to see Vader enraged to the point we've never seen him before. He's not going to stop until he's killed Caedus.
Emotional considerations should probably be left aside, since Jacen is also Anakin Skywalker's grandson. Leia was his daughter, you know. For the purposes of this Kaggath, Caedus and Vader are locked in a struggle to the death. While rage may fuel the Dark Side, it can also lead to atrocious tactical decisions. So, handle with care.
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Wolfninjajedi
03.13.2013 , 07:03 PM | #4
Er...wasn't Caedus able to go toe to toe with Luke for abit before getting creamed? His feats also seem to put him at a level, that is far above Vader and Galen. Vader isn't weak, but his grandson is more powerful then him by a longshot given his abilities and what he has done.
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TalonVII
03.13.2013 , 08:06 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Er...wasn't Caedus able to go toe to toe with Luke for abit before getting creamed? His feats also seem to put him at a level, that is far above Vader and Galen. Vader isn't weak, but his grandson is more powerful then him by a longshot given his abilities and what he has done.
Why do you think jedi forbid attachment and having children from two powerful jedi. Just bred STRONGER force users.

Ofcourse the sith know this, and try to do this, when not trying to stab eachother in the back.
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GarfieldJL
03.13.2013 , 08:08 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Er...wasn't Caedus able to go toe to toe with Luke for abit before getting creamed? His feats also seem to put him at a level, that is far above Vader and Galen. Vader isn't weak, but his grandson is more powerful then him by a longshot given his abilities and what he has done.
By that logic, Galen is a match for Jacen...

Galen's mother and father were both Jedi...

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Wolfninjajedi
03.13.2013 , 08:19 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
By that logic, Galen is a match for Jacen...

Galen's mother and father were both Jedi...
I think you meant to target Talon with that, I mentioned no parents or anything of relation. But Caedus's feats, seem to put him above both Vader and Galen. Infact Galen was pretty normal, when you take into account actual canon his biggest force feat was slowing a falling Star Destroyer and even that severely drained him and he barely won against Vader.

But anyway in a duel, Caedus just has much more power and ability compared to the other two. I almost wanna say Galen might be a non-factor in this duel, seeing as he won by the skin of his teeth against Vader.
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03.13.2013 , 09:35 PM | #8
A quick clarification. Tahiri may not be capable of besting Galen in direct lightsaber combat, but she's not inept at fighting. However, her true value to Jacen came as a spy and ambassador capable of doing the Dark Lord's dirty work, freeing him up to focus on other things. She negotiated treaties, alliances, and helped to spy on his enemies more often than she engaged in direct combat.

As for Jacen and Vader's relative personal strengths, they should be close in relative strength. Based purely on lineage, Vader was the Chosen One, with the potential to become the most powerful force user in history. Following his injuries, he was reduced to roughly 80% of his former strength in the Force, and at his full potential could have become twice as powerful as Palpatine (according to Lucas, although it's ambiguous how much of this potential he eventually reached). Now, Luke is Vader's son and theoretically surpassed him. Whether this means his raw potential was greater, or just that he lived up to more of that potential than Vader was able to reach is, again, ambiguous. On the same note, Leia is Luke's twin sister, and while she did not dedicate herself to Jedi training the way he did, may have passed on that lineage to Jacen.

So there is no clear advantage in raw strength, although Jacen clearly has more versatility in the Force than Vader.
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GarfieldJL
03.13.2013 , 09:49 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
I think you meant to target Talon with that, I mentioned no parents or anything of relation. But Caedus's feats, seem to put him above both Vader and Galen. Infact Galen was pretty normal, when you take into account actual canon his biggest force feat was slowing a falling Star Destroyer and even that severely drained him and he barely won against Vader.

But anyway in a duel, Caedus just has much more power and ability compared to the other two. I almost wanna say Galen might be a non-factor in this duel, seeing as he won by the skin of his teeth against Vader.
Caedus would be taking on Vader and Galen at the same time, Caedus and Vader would be about an even match, but with Galen thrown into the equation, Jacen would be in serious trouble.

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Wolfninjajedi
03.13.2013 , 09:51 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Caedus would be taking on Vader and Galen at the same time, Caedus and Vader would be about an even match, but with Galen thrown into the equation, Jacen would be in serious trouble.
I guess you can debate saber skill...maybe however that is only against Vader, but in using The Force? No, Caedus holds that department above Vader and Galen.
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