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So are we actually going to see any meaningful action taken to stop the hacking?

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So are we actually going to see any meaningful action taken to stop the hacking?

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Arutar
03.20.2013 , 09:13 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Wainamoinen View Post
Anyway, 22 vids for "SWTOR hacks PvP" again, this time in the last month.

8 x Minecraft vids (eh?)
2 x advertising
1 x some other game trailer (Wolfire)
6 x game vids (4 x SWTOR PvP fight vids; 1 x French guild take Ilum World Boss; 1 x Corellia PvP event)
4 x people calling lag or bugs hacks (my favourite is complaining that Physics on Shadowlands are hacking in huttball - 10 mins so didn't watch it all, maybe they were - but I suspect not. They're a recognised good PvP guild and don't need hacks to smash randoms in huttball)
1 x advert for hacks - in some game called "Shakes & Fidget"

So no, still no evidence. Seriously, you would feel happier if you let go of the prejudice that PvP is full of hacking. Don't get locked into identifying yourself with a "cause" that's based on misperception, as it seems some have let themselves be. But in the meantime, Youtube doesn't show evidence of widespread hacking in SWTOR.
Thanks for doing this.

So after all, still no evidence of widespread hacking.

Moving on, nothing to see here.

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03.20.2013 , 02:02 PM | #62
Someone posted a video of a player zooming around a warzone at way-passed-Predation-and-Force-Speed speed. I've only seen that once in a WZ in a Huttball match where suddenly they went from mid to the end zone in one GCD. And, no, it was not an Intercede, followed by a leap, followed my a force push, followed by a leap. I know how the game works. It was not any of combination of those abilities. But I've only seen that once and I've been playing since Day One.

What I have seen TWICE, and only twice, is non-stealth classes disappearing and then re-appearing a short distance away. No, it wasn't lag. I had them targeted and they disappeared and then I no longer had them targeted. The first time I was on voice chat with a guildie and we were wailing on the same non-stealth player who was about to die and he disappeared from view and our current target on both of our screens and then conveniently reappeared and was healing himself. The second time was almost identical circumstances, except that the player disappeared as he was approaching the node and then miraculously reappeared to stop the cap. We were positioned between the node and him which was out of LOS and he disappeared, moved past us around the corner and then stopped the cap. I reported both players. I can't remember the name of the second guy but I have not seen the first guy in WZs since.

I have also experienced conveniently-timed lag (like right when we are exiting the node in Voidstar to stop the cap) that prevents movement/actions/targeting in key moments but there is also periodic lag just like that on other occasions so it's hard to say that it's a hack.

But I know what I saw on the other occasions. I PvP almost exclusively and have multiple alts (DPS, stealth, tank and heals) so I am pretty comfortable with the game mechanics. I know what I saw and it wasn't right and I reported it. Given how much PvP I play, that's amounts to very few observable examples of actual hacking over many, many games. So I am not sure how prevalent it really is.
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sphyg
03.20.2013 , 03:45 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Rannox View Post
and i have leveled to lvl 50 all classes only by pvping, and yes there are the resolve, stats and speed cheats - especially at lvl50.
The resolve hacks are as follows:

Gunslinger/sniper. Hunker down/entrench. Immune to stuns and such for 20 seconds

Jugg/guard. Force leap grants 4 sec immunity from stuns and such. Must be spec'd into.

Shadow/sin. Resilience 6 sec(I believe) immunity from stuns and such.

So yes. The reason why there is no action being taken against these hackers is because they are in fact using abilities not hacks. So when bw investigated they couldn't find anything.

And in answer to your question. No you will not SEE this action. If bw bans someone it is private.
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03.20.2013 , 03:51 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by FromAbove View Post
I was quoting your post, which takes the stance that to disagree with accusations of hacking is to be guilty of hacking.
I agree anyone who disagrees with hacking is a hacker.
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FromAbove
03.20.2013 , 05:55 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Crawelc View Post
I agree anyone who disagrees with hacking is a hacker.
I suspect you might be a hacker and your "Scripts in PVP" thread is merely a cunning trick to cover your tracks by making your behavior seem like a game-wide epidemic of which "your friend" was guilty but you, naturally, were not .

Your reply better be an admission of guilt. Otherwise, your own "analysis" convicts you.

Well, unless you're dealing in some very high-level, labor-intensive irony, in which case I'd owe you a salute.

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VigDiath
03.20.2013 , 06:08 PM | #66
It's funny how quick people are to call someone a noob or other name when it's been proven on these same forums that it happens. I do advocate getting proof, but the proof in my opinion is that we've seen the videos where it's happens and know that people are capable of doing it.

In the past few days...and from 3-4 WZ's today, I've seen people using exploits or hacks. An assassin was getting focused, so to avoid it, he runs into a corner where no one can hit him. He and a few others on his side did that multiple times. I even tried hitting him with FiB to no avail. Exploit? Most likely. Acceptable? Only if you suck.

Another was a GS that kept targeting me on my Mara. I decided to go after him (Ancient Hypergates right by the pylon) and he was also getting focused by a few other people. When I decided to go after him he had about 75% health left when all of a sudden he dropped into the ground and I found myself targeting the healer next to him without switching to him. Glitch? Maybe. Exploit? Possibly. Cheating? Most likely.

Proof? None. I don't play this game with the intention of making videos. I play with the intention of having fun and trying to win a few WZ's before work. It's been proven that it happens so stop acting like everyone is a noob because it hasn't happened to you yet.
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DarthVengeant
03.20.2013 , 11:25 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
It's funny how quick people are to call someone a noob or other name when it's been proven on these same forums that it happens. I do advocate getting proof, but the proof in my opinion is that we've seen the videos where it's happens and know that people are capable of doing it.

In the past few days...and from 3-4 WZ's today, I've seen people using exploits or hacks. An assassin was getting focused, so to avoid it, he runs into a corner where no one can hit him. He and a few others on his side did that multiple times. I even tried hitting him with FiB to no avail. Exploit? Most likely. Acceptable? Only if you suck.

Another was a GS that kept targeting me on my Mara. I decided to go after him (Ancient Hypergates right by the pylon) and he was also getting focused by a few other people. When I decided to go after him he had about 75% health left when all of a sudden he dropped into the ground and I found myself targeting the healer next to him without switching to him. Glitch? Maybe. Exploit? Possibly. Cheating? Most likely.

Proof? None. I don't play this game with the intention of making videos. I play with the intention of having fun and trying to win a few WZ's before work. It's been proven that it happens so stop acting like everyone is a noob because it hasn't happened to you yet.
WELL SAID!!!

And the glitch you mentioned, I just had that happen to me two times today. Right into the floor...gone. Marauder's cant do that.

I see odd behavior coming from players often. People spazzing around like they are on crack, etc. Enemies going in an out of stealth constantly killing me in 3 moves...when they are lower HP than me. I see and experience this stuff all the time. Tank that just keep going with 3 of us on him like were not even touching him. People heal spamming to the point where it takes 4 people to even get their health to drop. I could go on.

The PVP In this game is utterly broken. Having a lvl based que is half the problem. It needs to be HP or Gear based que's. If you are in EWH then you have to que in Tier 2, if you are in WH then you are in Tier 1, if you are in Recruit then you have to que in Beginner que. I use that as an example, becuase that's how it should be. Not just being lvl 50 where you have 14k HP people fighting 21k HP people. That's just wrong. Doing it as I suggest would make the game actually enjoyable, not just one long stress and frustration losing 15 games in a row when you need only 1 more for the weekly. Yes, some people play this game for FUN...not an ego boost.

Everytime I play PVP I just get upset and frustrated. I feel like I am wasting my time and have no enjoyment from it because of the things mentioned.

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MidichIorian
03.21.2013 , 03:36 AM | #68
Was in a game just now where one of my team mates accused one of the opponents for using an "immunity hack".

That's weird because I just killed that guy. It get's worse, the guy accusing the opponent was a shadow....and the other guy was an assassin. I think you can figure out the rest and how dumb the whole thing is.

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Rincewend
03.21.2013 , 03:55 AM | #69
Have to ask what do you want to see OP, a list of the banned? a report by the day, week, or month? So far I have been lucky I guess as I have not seen that much hacking most of the problems I see is bugs, or lag.

But if there is hacking, and as much as the posts seems to make in this thread, other than a list of the banned, it's a free to play game. They ban someone, they create a new e-mail account and create a new toon and start again. Even in Live Microsoft could only slow cheaters, they banned the box and the account. So you started seeing e-bay full of boxes and they go buy a new one, and use a different account or credit card (or use time cards) and start again.

You will not find the answer you want in the forums, you vent get it off your chest. You see something off and think someone is hacking you ticket it, and let BW do their job. Jumping on people saying they are hacking in the forum because they have not seen anything is not going to solve anything, other than getting a forum ban if the mods feel you step over the line.

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JenseitsvonBose
03.21.2013 , 05:41 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthVengeant View Post
WELL SAID!!!

And the glitch you mentioned, I just had that happen to me two times today. Right into the floor...gone. Marauder's cant do that.

I see odd behavior coming from players often. People spazzing around like they are on crack, etc. Enemies going in an out of stealth constantly killing me in 3 moves...when they are lower HP than me. I see and experience this stuff all the time. Tank that just keep going with 3 of us on him like were not even touching him. People heal spamming to the point where it takes 4 people to even get their health to drop. I could go on.

The PVP In this game is utterly broken. Having a lvl based que is half the problem. It needs to be HP or Gear based que's. If you are in EWH then you have to que in Tier 2, if you are in WH then you are in Tier 1, if you are in Recruit then you have to que in Beginner que. I use that as an example, becuase that's how it should be. Not just being lvl 50 where you have 14k HP people fighting 21k HP people. That's just wrong. Doing it as I suggest would make the game actually enjoyable, not just one long stress and frustration losing 15 games in a row when you need only 1 more for the weekly. Yes, some people play this game for FUN...not an ego boost.

Everytime I play PVP I just get upset and frustrated. I feel like I am wasting my time and have no enjoyment from it because of the things mentioned.
Your logic doesn't track. If hacking's the problem, then match-making is totally irrelevant. If match-making actually is a problem on your server, then a considerable portion of what you said can more easily be pinned on poor match-ups than assumed hacks. Personally, given what I've seen in videos, and heard in the forums, I suspect there might be a server culture element to all of this. I've never seen anything on my server that gave me any indication that it was more than either a game-based exploit or lag; but I'm also on a rp server, and, from what I've seen on the PTS, our culture is very... different from those present in the PVE and PVP servers. So, YMMV.

Sorry you feel frustrated with the pvp
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