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Gralleh's Guide to Guardian Tanking

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Gralleh's Guide to Guardian Tanking

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Gondolindhrim
04.18.2013 , 02:47 AM | #11
Just adding a few good uses for Saber Reflect in Scum and Villainy:

1. Terminate (Operations Chief)
2. Final Offer (Underworld Arms Trader)
3. The End (Sunder)
4. Thundering Blast (Dread Master Styrak)

I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting about. Anyone tried reflecting Death Mark (Kel'sara), Deletion Protocol (Operator IX) or Scream (The Terror From Beyond) yet?
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Helig
04.18.2013 , 05:38 AM | #12
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grallmate
04.18.2013 , 04:12 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
Just adding a few good uses for Saber Reflect in Scum and Villainy:

1. Terminate (Operations Chief)
2. Final Offer (Underworld Arms Trader)
3. The End (Sunder)
4. Thundering Blast (Dread Master Styrak)

I'm sure there are more that I'm forgetting about. Anyone tried reflecting Death Mark (Kel'sara), Deletion Protocol (Operator IX) or Scream (The Terror From Beyond) yet?
I'll add those to the list.

Deletion Protocol and Scream are actually player targeted cleave/AoEs so they can't be reflected. I'm unsure about Death Mark but I assume that would go over the damage reflect cap for the ability.
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Gondolindhrim
04.18.2013 , 04:14 PM | #14
Ah yes of course, somehow I managed to forget that targeted AoEs aren't reflected either... speaking of the damage reflect cap though, has anyone tested what it is at level 55?
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04.18.2013 , 04:45 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
Ah yes of course, somehow I managed to forget that targeted AoEs aren't reflected either... speaking of the damage reflect cap though, has anyone tested what it is at level 55?
I haven't tested it thoroughly yet and TBH I doubt we'll get a solid number any time soon. I suspect it will be higher than the highest single target single attack damage a player class can generate which will make it tough to test. I haven't tried reflecting HM Opertor IX's Disinfection yet (SM worked) but I suspect that's about the highest discrete attack we'll be able to reflect or partially reflect outside of The End. Speaking of which, have you successfully reflected all of that? If so they cap is over 30k (last time it hit me without a CD was 33k) and I suspect we won't see how high thanks to the other single target 'kill mechanics' being in the millions of damage or "Kill Target: 0 Damage".
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Gondolindhrim
04.19.2013 , 07:24 AM | #16
I dug through my combat log and the reflect cap seems to be 4698 damage:

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[23:48:36.067] [@Rheiya] [Sunder {3054404647256064}:820003845246] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4698 kinetic {836045448940873}(reflected {836045448953649})) <91929>
[23:48:36.067] [Sunder {3054404647256064}:820003845246] [@Rheiya] [The End {3145926105366528}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (0 -) <33416>
I was hoping it would be higher, but the log is pretty conclusive. The above lines is just one example of many:

Code:
[23:48:35.784] [@Rheiya] [Sunder {3054404647256064}:820003845246] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4698 kinetic {836045448940873}(reflected {836045448953649})) <17466>

[23:48:37.348] [@Rheiya] [Sunder {3054404647256064}:820003845246] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Damage {836045448945501}] (4698 kinetic {836045448940873}(reflected {836045448953649})) <17466>
The log also shows that Saber Reflect generates 8592 threat upon activation:

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[00:16:59.404] [@Rheiya] [@Rheiya] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [Event {836045448945472}: AbilityActivate {836045448945479}] ()
[00:16:59.404] [@Rheiya] [@Rheiya] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [ApplyEffect {836045448945477}: Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] ()
[00:16:59.405] [@Rheiya] [Dread Master Styrak {3142326922772480}:820004573665] [Saber Reflect {3126160665870336}] [Event {836045448945472}: ModifyThreat {836045448945483}] () <8592>
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Helig
04.19.2013 , 09:29 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
I dug through my combat log and the reflect cap seems to be 4698 damage:
Very interesting, thanks. Does it scale at all?
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Gondolindhrim
04.19.2013 , 12:15 PM | #18
Not sure what you mean by scale? The tooltip states that the reflect cap is raised with each rank of the skill, but we won't be seeing rank 3 until another level cap increase. I'm not sure what the cap is for rank 1 if that's what you meant.
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Helig
04.20.2013 , 01:19 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Gondolindhrim View Post
Not sure what you mean by scale? The tooltip states that the reflect cap is raised with each rank of the skill, but we won't be seeing rank 3 until another level cap increase. I'm not sure what the cap is for rank 1 if that's what you meant.
By scaling I mean Strength, or Power, or whatever. Ergo, more strength equals bigger cap.
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Gondolindhrim
04.20.2013 , 01:39 AM | #20
Ah, gotcha. Can't claim to have tested that, but I would guess not since the tooltip specifically mentions that the rank of the skill increases the cap.
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