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I Would Like to See More Realistic Technology

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Neverfar
03.06.2013 , 09:19 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
That's because it was made in the 1970s.... Had Star Wars been developed in the late 2000s do you think Lucas would have been like, "Hrm you know what, I think I'm going to go with the 1970s feel for the technological zeitgeist of these films." ......I don't think so. Well maybe he would because he's George Lucas but the production companies would never go for it or allow it.

All other franchises from the 70s and 80s got "reboots" as you say that I'm aware of (and I admit I'm not knowledgeable about sci-fi reboots so who knows I could have missed something). So it is likely that we will see more of a modern feel in the new movies from disney. Hope TOR "hops on the bandwagon" too.
Wrong.

Lucas did have a specific technological look in mind, that was actually much older than the 70s, called the "serial sci-fi" look. He put in 70s computer graphics because they were what was currently available, but the architecture (big buttons and all) were from decades-before serial shows. Note that he added computer styles from the 90s in the prequels, yet the architecture remained "old". The Naboo ships were especially evidence to this: They were based directly off 50s style rockets!

What a sad state of mind it must be to automatically reject something because it feels "old" and constantly need the latest, only to throw it away the moment something else comes out.

It reminds me of Vince Noir from Mighty Boosh, who subscribed to a fashion magazine so cutting-edge that it had to be delivered by running courier before it got outdated.

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theUndead
03.06.2013 , 09:19 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
That's because it was made in the 1970s.... Had Star Wars been developed in the late 2000s do you think Lucas would have been like, "Hrm you know what, I think I'm going to go with the 1970s feel for the technological zeitgeist of these films." ......I don't think so. Well maybe he would because he's George Lucas but the production companies would never go for it or allow it.

All other franchises from the 70s and 80s got "reboots" as you say that I'm aware of (and I admit I'm not knowledgeable about sci-fi reboots so who knows I could have missed something). So it is likely that we will see more of a modern feel in the new movies from disney. Hope TOR "hops on the bandwagon" too.
How else can we spell this out for you. We don't want a reboot we don't want anything changed. So no god no Star Wars does not need to be rebooted or modernized its timeless and it should stay that way. Period.
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DeFierrio
03.06.2013 , 09:24 PM | #63
Oh and for all of you who keep saying, "But it's set thousands of years before the movies!!!! It should be moar primitive!!!!!ARGhghg!!!!".

Well first of all that is besides the point completely and second of all, so what? The tech is exactly the same. In the SW universe tech remains stagnant for the MOST PART. Hyeperspace has been used for tens of millennia. Blasters have been used for tens of millennia. The tech in TOR is probably almost exactly the same in the movies. Even ole George would probably agree. Technology doesn't always progress as time goes on.

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DeFierrio
03.06.2013 , 09:26 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by theUndead View Post
How else can we spell this out for you. We don't want a reboot we don't want anything changed. So no god no Star Wars does not need to be rebooted or modernized its timeless and it should stay that way. Period.
I respect your opinion but I disagree.

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Doctoglethorpe
03.06.2013 , 09:33 PM | #65
The franchise has specific aesthetics the same way any other does. That, and you have to remember its science fantasy, as in its techno-fantasy. Realism has no place in Star Wars, thats what Star Trek is for.

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Rogueleadnine
03.06.2013 , 09:39 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
According to you. That is your opinion. Stop stating things as facts.
You are either stubbornly rigid in your thinking or simply craving attention from everyone here. As many others have kindly pointed out:

1. SWTOR is set 3,653 years before the Battle of Yavin, which occurs in Episode 4 of the original films. This is a fact clearly stated by developers in the official galactic timeline and its ridiculous to even debate about it. Your refusal to accept this is no reason to create a thread. (Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Timeline, refer to Treaty of Coruscant where SWTOR is set)

There is no reason why technology in this era should reflect what we expect in 2013. 3,653BBY is not necessarily more advanced than 2013AD as we know it. It is fantasy timeline set in a fantasy world.

It is a simple notion then that the technology in the original films were used as a baseline in developing SWTOR. If you are arguing for true immersion, then it should be logical that technology predating the original star wars films by three millennia should be alot more primitive than what we are currently seeing in SWTOR.

2. Episode VII will be set after the original films, so it would make sense that technology might be more advanced then. It does not make sense to use that to justify making the prehistoric swtor era more advanced in tech. If anything, what might evolve in 30 years is unlikely to exceed what failed to evolve over the last three thousand years.

I hope that makes sense to you, and that you can better enjoy this universe set in a fantasy timeline. Barring that, I fail to see why you are still here arguing about the timeline.

It is perfectly fine to have a personal opinion about what a supposedly futuristic setting should encompass, and that is of course debatable. Your previous posts however do not seem to reflect that when you consistently flame others for trying to explain the era of SWTOR and how it fits in the Star Wars franchise.

If star wars is a poor fit, then perhaps other genres might be more appealing to you. Unless you'd like to stay for more attention seeking, of course.

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DeFierrio
03.06.2013 , 09:39 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Neverfar View Post
Wrong.

Lucas did have a specific technological look in mind, that was actually much older than the 70s, called the "serial sci-fi" look. He put in 70s computer graphics because they were what was currently available, but the architecture (big buttons and all) were from decades-before serial shows. Note that he added computer styles from the 90s in the prequels, yet the architecture remained "old". The Naboo ships were especially evidence to this: They were based directly off 50s style rockets!.
Wait. So you admit though that the computer styles in the newer movies needed to be changed to be aprorpriate for today's audience? What makes TOR any different? When I play TOR it feels much more reminisce to the originals than the prequels.

Architecture of the ships doesn't bother me. Classic look is fine on some of them.


Quote: Originally Posted by Neverfar View Post
It reminds me of Vince Noir from Mighty Boosh, who subscribed to a fashion magazine so cutting-edge that it had to be delivered by running courier before it got outdated.
Huh? thought we were talkling about SW and TOR. Not fashion magazines.

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DeFierrio
03.06.2013 , 10:07 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Rogueleadnine View Post
You are either stubbornly rigid in your thinking or simply craving attention from everyone here. As many others have kindly pointed out:

1. SWTOR is set 3,653 years before the Battle of Yavin, which occurs in Episode 4 of the original films. This is a fact clearly stated by developers in the official galactic timeline and its ridiculous to even debate about it. Your refusal to accept this is no reason to create a thread. (Source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Timeline, refer to Treaty of Coruscant where SWTOR is set)
I'm not debating the timeline. Not once have I questioned it. Please see my above post addressing the thousands of years before the original movies.

I'm unsure how you came to conclusion that I was debating the timeline.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rogueleadnine View Post
There is no reason why technology in this era should reflect what we expect in 2013. 3,653BBY is not necessarily more advanced than 2013AD as we know it. It is fantasy timeline set in a fantasy world.

It is a simple notion then that the technology in the original films were used as a baseline in developing SWTOR. If you are arguing for true immersion, then it should be logical that technology predating the original star wars films by three millennia should be alot more primitive than what we are currently seeing in SWTOR.
Its relevant though because the audience expectations are set by what we currently have in 2013. Star Wars is based on the premise that faster than light travel has been achieved. That is quite a technological accomplishment and one that our society has not achieved. Thus, it is reasonably to conclude the technology in Star Wars is more advanced than ours.

However, if you're saying that the Star Wars universe some how managed to evolve technologically into faster than light travel with some aspects *cough* hand held communication devices *cough* of their tech lag behind today's current standards..... well ok that is a valid argument (although unlikely) and the first one that I'm willing to accept.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rogueleadnine View Post
2. Episode VII will be set after the original films, so it would make sense that technology might be more advanced then. It does not make sense to use that to justify making the prehistoric swtor era more advanced in tech. If anything, what might evolve in 30 years is unlikely to exceed what failed to evolve over the last three thousand years.
Again see my post regarding TOR being set thousands of years prior to the movies. Technology in SW seems to be rather stagnant and I don't find this hard to believe at all. If you really look at recorded human history, not a whole lot changed for thousands of years.

Furthermore, you have missed the point. The computers used in the movies were meant to look as modern and futuristic as possible however that was in the 1970s and very early 1980s. All I'm suggesting is use today's standards to make the computers and other tech look as futuristic as possible.

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I hope that makes sense to you, and that you can better enjoy this universe set in a fantasy timeline. Barring that, I fail to see why you are still here arguing about the timeline.
Still not arguing about the timeline.

Quote: Originally Posted by Rogueleadnine View Post
It is perfectly fine to have a personal opinion about what a supposedly futuristic setting should encompass, and that is of course debatable. Your previous posts however do not seem to reflect that when you consistently flame others for trying to explain the era of SWTOR and how it fits in the Star Wars franchise.

If star wars is a poor fit, then perhaps other genres might be more appealing to you. Unless you'd like to stay for more attention seeking, of course.
I like TOR and want to see it improve. Your concern is appreciated though.

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jedimasterjac
03.06.2013 , 10:11 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by DeFierrio View Post
Oh and for all of you who keep saying, "But it's set thousands of years before the movies!!!! It should be moar primitive!!!!!ARGhghg!!!!".

Well first of all that is besides the point completely and second of all, so what? The tech is exactly the same. In the SW universe tech remains stagnant for the MOST PART. Hyeperspace has been used for tens of millennia. Blasters have been used for tens of millennia. The tech in TOR is probably almost exactly the same in the movies. Even ole George would probably agree. Technology doesn't always progress as time goes on.
Don't fix what ain't broken? Tell me this, if you think technology should be better 3000 years before the movies, why would they leap back to more primitive, "retro" technology 3000 years later? And you do know the KotOR comics which set up the lore for the KotOR games came out way before?
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Altyrell
03.06.2013 , 10:14 PM | #70
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It's happening about 3k year BEFORE the movies. If anything the tech should be more primitive, rather than newer.
Not really as they hit a Technological Plateau 100 of thousands years before this game begins, possibly even millions of years.