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stephenalandavie
03.05.2013 , 03:11 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by HaLeX View Post
50 pvp is already dying. Rated is non-existent, simply not enough players to support it. 55 will bring people back for a about a month until everyone realises its the same thing just a new grind for you. We don't need a new grind, we need something totally different. Large scale fights, rated WZ 1-2 x per week with a schedule and a champion crowned with perks, more WZ's that are harder to understand or more difficult to master. I do a few 50 matches, finish my daily and I'm done, I see the same old people over and over. If it weren't for noobie pvp I would have quit this game by now. You really see the 55 bracket taking off?, lol, I don't. The middle tier bracket is where everyone will go because of matchmaking issues and faster que pops. IMO. Dude cmon at least give us an arena that's easy to access and where we can yell and taunt each other and get some drama popcorn moments. There is 0 incentive to play 50 rated or 50 period. What is lacking is any creativity at all, there is none. Take a risk, piss some people off, give us something to be excited about when we log in. My rant is over.

Well your server must truly blow. Because TOFN has its own rated league arranged between the guilds. We dont need a new grind? i take it you mean gear? because when the level goes to 55 what did you think would happen?? that gear you grinded at 50 to be viable then??. Are you sure mmo's are for you? because Grind is what mmos are. I can see what your saying about no incentive and the lack of creativity. Also the matchmaking issues completely correct but you complain about grind etc which is completely defunct

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biowareftw
03.05.2013 , 03:11 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by PlagaNerezza View Post
No gear progression
No guild based objective pvp
No pvp season.
On gear.
It is called test center for a reason. Bolster probably isn't done. It is easy to gear now, and that is a good thing. It means you can play more then one class. If you want or need a huge gear advantage? That isn't pvp (skill against skill). That is a job, and the person with more time wins. If you want gear progression? Do PVE. This game already has min/maxing, which means people with a clue will be doing much better then people who don't bother.

Objective based pvp.
Do you mean World vs World? If you need a piece of candy to WvW? Don't do it. WvW to me means making a stealth class and killing other level 50's doing dailies. Usually as republic as it allows more targets. To someone else? It means getting more people then other people have and killing those people. To still others? It means camping low level characters. Big guilds? It means getting a huge battle together and spamming aoe abilities at eachother with ranged. While I don't enjoy any of those but the first? You can do all of that now. The only person holding you back is you. What objective do you need? It isn't like it is hard to gear in this game. Do you need a Jawa to come on the screen and bow down to you every time you get a player kill ? FREE TIME is what allows world pvp to thrive (see original WoW with 1 pvp gear set for a couple years). To free up time? They need to make this game have easily accessible gear. PoT5 has no problem with world pvp. Maybe the realm you are on? Is just focused on PVE.

No PvP season.
Ranked in this game looks like it is going to be for bragging rights. That is the entire reason to even make a ranked team. When you have gear progression through ranked? You end up with all fotm classes (even worse then it already is in this game). See WoW where I would fight 9/10 KFC comp one season, RMP comps another season.

I really don't understand any of the complaints you have to be honest. World pvp to me personally is a joke in everything past old ultima online. In that game I killed someone and took all their crap. Blame Everquest for making world pvp "candyland". All other MMO's followed suit. You are never going to get meaningful world pvp ever again. The only enjoyment I get out of it, is 1 v 1'ing 2 v1'ing other people on the lower pop factions, and seeing them rage over a res run. Other then that? It is just who has the most numbers, which makes it pointless to me.
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DarthSabreth
03.05.2013 , 03:21 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Xienive View Post
Really they are focusing on the WRONG things in PVP. Sure balance is important...but instead of trying to re-balance everything, give us a stupid new bolster, re-work stats, etc....they should be focusing on:

New WZ's

New maps for current WZ objectives

Dueling arenas

Reasons to do open world PVP

Places where we can CONVENIENTLY access quickly for open world PVP

Instead we have a bunch of new unbalanced crap that is just annoying, wasn't asked for and was not needed at all. A couple classes needed a buff and everything else needed to be left alone, period. They are focusing on the wrong things. They also need to quit trying to change things that are working just fine.
umm the reacurring gree event is a reason to do world pvp.
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Meblack
03.05.2013 , 03:35 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
Dude, AH was yet in last August, 6 month ago... I dont like this WZ, its not as good as Huttball or Voidstar.
So, 6 monthes and NO new WZ... hahaha... no 4x4 arenas... no pure deathmatch warzone... hahaha...

So zero new content for pure pvp'ers who mostly playing in pug only (cuz most time friends off-line). If zero new content, than ciao.

This game have great storyline and some nice wz, but after year playing any pve boring and old game matchmaking mistakes like pugs/premade problem ( was same also in WoW or AION) still exist...
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Bullsith
03.05.2013 , 04:01 AM | #25
World PVP won't work in this game. They tried before and it was a disaster. And yes, people need an incentive to do world PVP, and I mean PVP, not what we did ... what, one year ago? Taking turns at blowing up each other's vehicles to complete the daily without any complications. And if you attacked the opposing faction you'd get insulted by your own faction for disrupting their exchange.

So yes, people need a carrot at the end of the stick that's gonna make them want to kill the enemy for perosnal gain, it's simply how it is.

Sadly this will never happen here.
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Twin
03.05.2013 , 04:02 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by DrumDeity View Post
This ENTIRE patch is geared towards end game, adding on new content for level 50s to go up to 55. This is exactly the character progression you were talking about! More PvP and PvE will be added later. Patience is key, not just to MMOs, but to everything.
More pvp will be added later? Seriously?

14 months have passed and i hereby present to you the history of pvp content.

* Novar Coast added.
* Ancient Hypergates added.

* Ilum Removed.
* PvP Gear progression removed?


Cool pvp history bro! In between these amazing additions/removals to pvp, there have been ALOT of other pvp-related notifications in the patchnotes - and ALL of them have been bugfixes and changes to pvp-mechanics, except for these 4 points listed above of which 2 actually is aboutremoving content!

How long do you consider it valid to be patient and wait for "more pvp content to be added"?
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HaLeX
03.05.2013 , 04:42 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by stephenalandavie View Post
Well your server must truly blow. Because TOFN has its own rated league arranged between the guilds. We dont need a new grind? i take it you mean gear? because when the level goes to 55 what did you think would happen?? that gear you grinded at 50 to be viable then??. Are you sure mmo's are for you? because Grind is what mmos are. I can see what your saying about no incentive and the lack of creativity. Also the matchmaking issues completely correct but you complain about grind etc which is completely defunct
Hey your satisfied with rated in its current form? then great.

I have np with gear grinds, in fact I love them, but really there are none in this game. It's too easy to get gear. My point is at 55 all the top players will be done with their grind within 2-3 weeks. Then what? Run on the hamster wheel? There is going to be nothing different that 55 brings to the table besides gear with new names and stats that everyone will have.

You agree with me on the lack of creativity. My problem is this; same wz's, same 8 vs 8, same matchmaking issues.
Therefore, I don't see 2.0 fixing any of the issues that a lot of players care about. We need more variety. 4 vs 4, 12 vs 12, make it random idc. How bout dropping a Boss into the wz? How bout being able to set up NPC defenders or attackers? How bout matches with 3 teams? How bout giving the top guild who wins the "Big" match a prize, an incentive so that every player wants to be in the top guild. How bout team play with real strategic thinking before the match begins that involves more than just "lets go west and east or lets take snow and grass". The 8 vs 8 was great for a while but its getting old. Don't get me wrong its not horrible, its just getting boring for some of us. Maybe I'm asking for too much.
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NrDLeipe
03.05.2013 , 05:01 AM | #28
this game is not pvp focussed it aint gw2 so its normal that there is more pve content and only logic that the expasion is all about pve first.
im sure they will add new wzs soon just gotta be patient, go play with your gf or something when you bored for the time being :P
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Illyean
03.05.2013 , 05:31 AM | #29
I have to say that I'm feeling more concerned than optimistic about 2.0 now, its all feeling a lot like the NGE, where gear stopped making any difference (until it was fixed), just in 2.0 they are telling us and in NGE they didn't.

Anyway, I do like the concept of making entry to PvP a competitive start unlike now, recruit gear does suck and while I think a good recruit will beat a bad EWH, a good recruit is going to die to anything else.

It's not unfair for the player, everyone has to endure it, it's unfair for the rest of the team who, because there is no matchmaking logic AT ALL!, got placed in a group with recruits.

Bolster 2.0 is really sounding either a) broken beyond all recognition and going to be fixed or b) broken beyond all recognition

I dont know, it feels to me like the 'designer' has gotten this badly wrong, knows it, but is being left in charge of fixing his mistake using the same broken logic that caused the problem in the first place.

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MusicRider
03.05.2013 , 05:40 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by TonyDragonflame View Post
Dude, AH was yet in last August, 6 month ago... I dont like this WZ, its not as good as Huttball or Voidstar.
So, 6 monthes and NO new WZ... hahaha... no 4x4 arenas... no pure deathmatch warzone... hahaha...

So zero new content for pure pvp'ers who mostly playing in pug only (cuz most time friends off-line). If zero new content, than ciao.

This game have great storyline and some nice wz, but after year playing any pve boring and old game matchmaking mistakes like pugs/premade problem ( was same also in WoW or AION) still exist...
Ancient hypergates was in 1.6 in beginning of December, "dude", lol. And premades are fine as they are. It's clear from these two point that you are a hardcore pvper dude. 10/10 for trolling post though.