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S+V : 16M-HM (world ranking)


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Nibbon
04.16.2013 , 12:07 PM | #101
Well how high should I tweak the last boss?

It currently deteriorates at 2x normal (normal is boss 3-6 in S+V) and 4x the first two (which I'd call half normal).

I could up it to 3x or 4x, but how much is too much. FYI - if I were to up to 3x or 4x, I'd make the last boss worth 15k or 20k instead of the current 10k (I just don't want the last boss to deteriorate to 0 in a months time, when NiM EC Kephess had a 2-3 month gap for the 1-2 and 1-8).

I'd say, of everything, the deterioration rate of the last boss is one thing I am willing to tweak a bit for the next tier of content, I think going higher than 4x would be a mistake, though.

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Aerro
04.16.2013 , 12:14 PM | #102
I wouldn't do too much, but I agree getting it to 0 before the end of the month is probably the best idea. However, with lack of 16man guilds, most of us will have it cleared within the first week or two so maybe waiting a month is too long? I'm not sure.
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Nibbon
04.16.2013 , 01:15 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerro View Post
I wouldn't do too much, but I agree getting it to 0 before the end of the month is probably the best idea. However, with lack of 16man guilds, most of us will have it cleared within the first week or two so maybe waiting a month is too long? I'm not sure.
Wait, you think it should hit 0 before a month's time? I was saying it should not. If that were the case, only Ace would have received any points for NiM EC Kephess at all!

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Aerro
04.16.2013 , 01:18 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Nibbon View Post
Wait, you think it should hit 0 before a month's time? I was saying it should not. If that were the case, only Ace would have received any points for NiM EC Kephess at all!
Noooo, I meant for HM content haha. I didn't quite clarify. Doing Fps.
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Nibbon
04.16.2013 , 01:30 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Aerro View Post
Noooo, I meant for HM content haha. I didn't quite clarify. Doing Fps.
Ahh, OK. Well HM isn't all that important so I am not going to change the system to fit HM progression ;p

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Aerro
04.16.2013 , 01:34 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Nibbon View Post
Ahh, OK. Well HM isn't all that important so I am not going to change the system to fit HM progression ;p
I didn't mean now, but just as an after thought xD I don't care either way since we're not really too much into actual HM Progression unless it was as challenging as the launch of TFB. It was more so for those who are competing for it.
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OSUKirkland
04.16.2013 , 03:44 PM | #107
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Dragonbgone
04.16.2013 , 08:38 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by tahoewolverine View Post
thanks for the shoutout, nibbon, we were generally happy with the turnout as well. We're still in favor of the small weight to later bosses with greater deterioration; the system appeared to hold up nicely. I do think that the kills need to continue to have corpse, difficulty, raid frames, and world clock up as opposed to achievements. We know how cs has been in this game with awarding things to people that ask for them .

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arkitip
04.16.2013 , 11:51 PM | #109
Well I have to say, get a full group of 55s with some gear and this is pretty easy
Just under 3 hours for clear tonight.

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Drussy
04.17.2013 , 01:21 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Nibbon View Post
I thought of that - but this goes back to two original points.

1. Is it fair if a European guild gets this bonus and the US doesn't?
2. Is it really worth 100 more points if guild 1 kills Boss 3 1 minutes before guild 2 does?

I say no to both - and that is why we didn't do bonus points in the first place.

I'll reiterate that the system we have in place isn't perfect, but I think it is the best we can do. I gave plenty of opportunity for the top 7 or so guilds in the last tier of content to comment on this system - so I have no intention of changing it unless someone can find a glaring error.

I, for one, think the system worked extremely well for the 8 guilds involved thus far and see no reason to alter anything. Come the Nightmare modes - we will have the opportunity of all approaching on more even footing regarding both gearing up and early access people.

edit: I think it is also worth mentioning, I am GM of Carnage Gaming and we killed the last boss exactly one minute before Chosen did yet are ranked under them. I think the ranking system did an excellent job in awarding Chosen a higher overall ranking over Carnage - and did an equally good job scoring it so it was so close.
I forgot to thank you for the job you did (and you did it well)
I agree with the answers you gave to us, but I still have ideas to show and I'm sorry for that Ready ?

No, seriously, what about thinking with percentages ? I mean, imagine we finally decide to increase the value of the boss as I previously explained, we can fix the decrease speed proportionately to the score he reached.
Example : 100 hours the boss is available, so it's worth 10 100.
If we keep the idea of decreasing by 1 point per hour for a 10 000 boss, it becomes a decrease of 1.01 points per hour for a 10 100 one.
(in addition you can double or even triple it for the last boss, 2.02 or 3.03 per hour in my example)

I'm sorry if I'm boring you, but in my opinion, it's a quite simple meaning to reward the first guild more than the others (but not too much ^^) and it's going to make a real difference only on very difficult boss :
for example a boss killed after 2 weeks, that is quite long time, will lose one more point every 30 hours (31 points for 30 hours). If the second guild kills this boss 4 days later, it's going to be a loss of 99.23 points instead of 96 points with the present system.
By the way, if you want me to stop suggesting, just say it