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Quit "blaming" CE owners for actually owning a CE

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Quit "blaming" CE owners for actually owning a CE

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Andryah
03.05.2013 , 11:16 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
I haven't seen anyone blame a CE owner for anything...what did I miss?
Blame is probably the wrong word choice.

Bashing is a more appropriate choice for the forum behavior, though it is much less then in the past.

As a CE owner, I do remember the horrendous bashing of anyone who made a point of bragging that they were a CE owner prior to launch, and for sometime afterwards. It was both funny and annoying at the same time and was a modern day version of the Hatfields and the McCoys in some ways between the "haves" and "have-nots". Then it settled down, but re-emerged when the CE was heavily discounted and old wounds reopened. Now days, it repops when any CE owner complains about the merchant not be updated to their desires.

Personally, as a CE owner..... meh..... the exclusive merchant was never a valid reason to buy the CE IMO and is even less of a reason for CE owners to complain a year after a game launched. I use cartel gear purchased off the GTN now days for gear, NOT the CE merchant. CE gear is over-priced by todays standards in the economy. The exception is the Imperial Helmet still works for some gear combinations.... but I really could care less if they ever update the merchant again. I mean, what CE purchase is ever expected to last much past launch in an MMO???? I have not seen my WoW Panda pet in years, and could care less.
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Eillack
03.05.2013 , 11:17 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyDrusilla View Post
Would you mind awfully providing me with:

Exact numbers of how many Collectors edition were sold
Scientific polling showing exactly what percentage of those bought it on the promise of a regularly updated vendor

To back your assertions please.
Actually going into the game and watching chat or the forums the past year not good enough?

Quote: Originally Posted by BJWyler View Post
I'm not sure where you see any of the CE hate coming from. I haven't noticed it - the only thing I see is was a bit of annoyance at the QQing (as others said) about the exclusive vendor not getting update. I have a CE and quite frankly, if I bought it because of the in-game vendor, that would make me a complete moron. You see, I bought the CE because of the nice stuff I could see was included in the box:

Security Key (the most practical in my view)
Music CD (probably one of my biggest reasons for getting it - exclusive music)
Darth Malgus statue (would of preferred Satele, but it still makes a nice bookend with my Skyriim dragon)
Journal of Master Gnost-Dural (cause an actual physical book I can hold in my hands and look at the pretty pictures is still pretty cool)
Disks in Metal Case (Well, it seems to be the standard in CE versions of games nowadays)
Longspur STAP and VIP bracelet (the only digital items I was interested in, even though they are also part of the digital upgrade pack). They are the most useful digital items for me.

You see, having exclusive access to the vendors, whether it be the Security Key, VIP, or the CE vendors was nice, but ultimately useless in the decision to buy the CE. I like customizing my characters and having useful items for them to wear and use. Without any prior knowledge of what would be on these vendors or even if I would like the look of any of it, it would have been completely stupid of me to base such a purchase decision on something sight unseen. So the fact that the vendors have not been updated is hardly of any consequence to me - again there is no guarantee that I would like anything that would ever be on these vendors or find any of it more useful than anything else in the game, so I ultimately based my purchased decision on what I knew I was getting and the value of that to me was more than enough to justify the cost.

So, to be honest, as a CE owner, I would rather they just leave the vendors as is and put more of the effort in creating art assets into quests and missions in the game (with a few saved for the CM to continue to help fund the game).

BJ
The music and statue were pretty much a waste to be honest. Unless you liked most of the CD being the god awful cantina music selections.

And again, to get past think skulls.... BE/EA emphasised greatly on the vendor, which led to more CE purchases. Was it the sole reason I bought it - no, was it a big factor - yes.

And I doubt no one is really askign more for CE's other than the vendor...not sure how that would even effect anything else in this game.

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Ayradyss
03.05.2013 , 11:26 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
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I am not clamoring for the CE vendor to be updated, just pointing out that EA/BW did state that it would be updated regularly. I personally just want to see the CE vendor and the items he sells remain exclusive to CE owners.
Thank you for the reference!

FWIW, I've no issue with keeping the CE exclusives exclusive. I'm not out to 'unlock' them to everyone. But again, the date of that page (10.21.2011) pre-dates the current F2P development environment. I don't begrudge anyone who bought the CE some new goodies, but I think it's only realistic to expect things are not quite as they used to be.

Just looking at the current development/sales model of the game, it sure seems likely that: IF you want a continuous stream of additional content, THEN there will likely have to be a reciprocal continuous stream of revenue. If that is indeed the case, I would expect future options may include opening up CE goods to people who are willing to pay for them. Keeping it all exclusive is likely going to mean very few new content additions. All just speculation on my part though, of course.

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skiibyrd
03.05.2013 , 11:30 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Terin View Post
I've not been back on the forums for long, but there is an incredible resentment towards CE-owners, and frankly, I'm not feeling it.

The Collector's Editions were expensive, yes. But they were in high supply for *MONTHS* after release, and there is literally only one reason in the entire world that you don't own one; you didn't want to spend the money. As someone who has been out of work for a while now, I can most certainly understand that.

However, everyone knew the Collector's Edition was going to include an exclusive store. We didn't know what would be available specifically, and on that point, I agree with people being frustrated. However, again, if you actually *wanted* the items available on the CE-store, you could easily have purchased the CE after launch. In fact, at one point they were absurdly cheap, and I saw was as low as $30 new.

So basically, all I'm hearing is a bunch of whining about "Those guys have something I don't, and I don't like it". If these CE's were in short supply, I would totally be on you guys' side, but again, they weren't. Every single one of you had ample time to find out what was included in the CE, and to purchase it, likely even at a discount from pre-order prices. You didn't. That's fine, but don't you dare claim you're entitled to the content I actually *did* pay for.

If you went shopping for a car tomorrow, are you going to buy something economical, or spring for luxury? Frankly, I don't care what you pick, but I can tell you for a fact that you aren't going to purchase a luxury car at an economical price. And again, it's all fair game. And hey, maybe you're really desperate for money, and want a luxury car but can't afford it. That does not give you the right to throw a brick through some other guy's luxury car, though, or break-in and steal his sound-system.

If you don't own a CE, then tough noogies. You had ample opportunities to purchase it, but you didn't. I did. You don't get to access the same content as me because you didn't pay to access that content. I did. I took a gamble that, despite a rough start, this game would get better. You didn't, so you'll forgive me if I'm not terribly sympathetic to the amount of whining

Personally, I wish I hadn't purchased the CE. Like that fancy luxury car, it sounds a lot more fun that it has actually been, and it was certainly pricey. But I did pay for it. If I waste my money of lotto-tickets, while you put yours in a bank, don't come crying to me when I actually win something and you want the same reward.
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AsheraII
03.05.2013 , 11:35 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by skiibyrd View Post
You really love the word Ample don't you?
You should've seen a certain lead developer during beta. He used the word "absolutely" several times in every interview, which after a while resulted in a few dozen memes about his "Abs"
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JediMB
03.05.2013 , 11:55 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Ayradyss View Post
But again, the date of that page (10.21.2011) pre-dates the current F2P development environment.
Doesn't matter. We paid for an advertised service, so BioWare are obligated to provide that service.

It's not like with Makeb/RotHC, where they ended up charging money after initially advertised something as being free. That's actually a legitimate change in direction.
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WarGame
03.05.2013 , 12:00 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by VegaPhone View Post
I have a solution that BW is probably considering...

Put some worthwhile stuff in the CE store, and also allow people to upgrade their accounts to CE status.
This makes way too much sense, so it will probably take years to happen.

This company has not followed through on a lot of things they have said, the vip bracelet is essentially worthless to. Not sure how anyone can be pissed at people who paid like 180 for a box that really has no distinction from a game people can now get for free. They got ripped off, plain and simple

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Ayradyss
03.05.2013 , 12:05 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMB View Post
Doesn't matter. We paid for an advertised service, so BioWare are obligated to provide that service.

It's not like with Makeb/RotHC, where they ended up charging money after initially advertised something as being free. That's actually a legitimate change in direction.
If you want to go getting all psuedo-legalese about obligations, you should start by reading the Terms of Service that state essentially that anything and everything about the game service is open to change and dictated entirely by EA.

(Mind you, I'm not saying that's 'good' or 'right' or anything of the sort. But really, IMO, we as consumers are going to have to buckle down and stop giving away our money to these corporations that essentially force us to sign waivers on all our rights for the privilege of buying their product. We only have a voice BEFORE we hand our money over. Afterward is just too late.)

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Andryah
03.05.2013 , 12:29 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by JediMB View Post
Doesn't matter. We paid for an advertised service, so BioWare are obligated to provide that service.
You comment is:

1) Confused, because it does not represent the facts, per the Terms of Service under which you are granted access to the game.
2) One of the reasons forum members keep taking shots at CE owners. Comments like yours tend to perpetuate the forum meme about CE owners, and not in a positive manner.

Content in an MMO is subject to change (even complete evaporation) at the descretion and whim of the game developer. The only service you actually paid for is access to the game servers via subscription. The content you purchased via a CE is not a service and it is not guaranteed to be there at any time in the future (except for the hard goods that were inside the box, and the license to use the client software). The virtual content is virtual See: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/virtual

Note: I am a CE owner.
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JediMB
03.05.2013 , 01:11 PM | #70
A court of law can, and have in the past, find an EULA to be invalid and/or illegal.

Your anti-consumer attitude is noted, but not appreciated, Andryah.
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Deep into that darkness peering, you reach out your hand and grasp what you are searching for.
Now ring the bells that sweep away the darkness; the bells that beckon tomorrow's dawn.