Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

I bet he dates a French model he met on the internet.

Considering the article is about gaming industry i wouldnt assume those numbers.

In anycase the official news is every EA game will have microtransations. If those are P2w or not is impossible to say. They are diferent things in the end.

Anyhow here from IGN
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/02/2...502cc80f000015
they dont mention any pay to win feature. Only microtransactions. Wich can well be not pay to win.
But instead it seems even more milking the consumer. wich is anoying. In anycase i rarely play EA games. safe for swtor.
If the game is free no. Its paying for playing the game.
In anycase EA sucks overal so. With or without this policies. They are one of the worst companies in the industry.

Question for OP: How can you P2W in a Single Player game? Because that is the Dead Space 3 example, is it not?

Levelling faster, or getting materials or weapons faster, in a single player game is nothing more than paying for convenience. Paying to not have to spend hours of work on achieving the same item. Trading time with money.

I still do not see how that is paying to win? You aren't really combatting anything than the game, are you? And were you so much against cheats in 90's games as well? They were basicly also shortcuts to get stuff easier or faster. The service is still in games (because cheats were also programmed in), but now you pay for them instead of find out about them.

This is actually interesting.. for the matter of debate: Would you consider it P2W if you had a system in place where, through legacy, you were able to buy the same level of gear for an alt that you already did the ingame 'work' for on another character?
So say: you have a full Dreadguard main, would you consider it P2W to be able to buy gear to make your alts also full Dreadguard?

I am personally not decided yet if I would consider that P2W or P4C (Pay for convenience) or not..

Ok, this is an over-reactionary response to their use of "all their games." Sure, the stand alone games will have that option. They will be charging for cheat codes, in effect. If you have ever used a cheat code, you can't, in all fairness, comment on this aspect.

As for MMOs, everyone with a brain the size of a grape knows that is game death. How many MMOs have gone down this path and closed up shop because of it? Of course, if you are of the opinion that they want to effectively treat SWTOR as a hostile takeover, get as much out of it as they can in the short term. Then when it's all used up, sell off the physical assets and send the staff on to other projects, you might be on to something.

Not saying that is the case, but is a possible scenario. Not as wild as some ideas going around the forums.

We already have Micro Transactions in this game, I don't believe that they give a significant Pay to Win aspect. So maybe you should count to 10 and calm down a little!

Can anybody here actually Define P2W ? What constitues P2W ? I've googled it and can find nothing concrete, just personal feelings and agenda based arguments. If there are no clear cut defintions, how do you know you don't already have it ?

This is the reason why I rarely play Star Trek Online...hell they sold Veteren Status for $300 not that long ago...you could have just installed the game for the first time, but you'd be recognized as a 1000 + day veteren and get all the perks that came with it...

Except the part that you're missing is that p2w is already in this game.

The +41 crystals that are equippable at level 10 are a good example. They are created exclusively via the real money shop, which means EA gets $ for every single one of those things that exists.

Nobody seems to be complaining about them, but that doesn't make them any less p2w.


Using IRL money to gain an ingame advantage over other players, whether it's for PvE or PvP play. See my example above.

And here, my friends, is the main reason using a term like P2W is ridicilous to begin with.

There is no clear definition of it. It is merely something used by someone to make some kind of stand in a debate around micro transactions. P2W has too many definitions to even be a term people should use.

But well, if we are talking about term abuse in MMO's.. some people still call the Guild Wars 2 business model F2P, instead of the actual model it has: B2P (Buy to Play). So yeah, our 'community' of MMO gamers have a history of abusing terms for personal gains in arguments.

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And the poster above me proves entirely why it's definition is not clear. That is your definition, but not THE definition. I mean, how can you even gain advantage over other players in PVE? Where are other players in the 'versus environment' part of PVE? And how do you define 'an advantage'. Some would say increased gain of experience or commendations would already be an advantage, for others it would only be directly boosting power.