Read in the Paper: Ea is going to add P2W to all their games

Not my fault if you can not evaluate a situation with the given data on hand. Past performance by EA speaks volumes. Even from the mouths of their own executives we are going in this direction. The classic tell was the "space mods" that were ONLY in the CM at the start until many raised a stink. EA is transparent in what they are attempting to do. Not my vault you are blinded to the obvious.

I'm not debating. I'm not arguing. I'm not making endless spelling errors.

I guess you win? Or we all do when you leave?

Your wisdumb will move on to another game board.

There, in your future game, you may practice your 'winning' strategy while others actually play.

And a good time will be had by all.

Sigh. I see you'd stopped playing the game much earlier than originally thought.

The 7 series mods were *always* available by multiple means. Just not all in the same location. Some you bought from comm vendors. Some you bought from crafters ( who bought schemas from vendors ).

Before you tell us more about the current state of the game, you may want to play it a bit.

Oh, that's right.

I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

Please explain to me how anything in the Cartel Market is P2W when none of it is necessary to play the game?

Really, it sounds like many of you are just jealous that other players are walking around looking better than you. And looking better... not an advantage in game play.

+41 crystals are a slight advantage, at lvl 10. As has been stated by many, however, these can be had from GTN.

But, +41 crystals are causing many *excellent* players like Uriel to leave the game.

So sad. So sad.

Really, +41 crystals are not much of an advantage and like you said, you can get them on the GTN. Why Uriel insists on everything being available in the game without the need for any kind of monetary means is beyond me. Hey, there's stuff in the game that require credits to get. What's the difference between buying things from vendors and buying things from the GTN? Oh, that's right, when you buy from the GTN a less skilled player gains an advantage by getting your credits instead of some vendor sending them into the void.

He's making things up again. I have never said anything about the +41 crystals specifically. In fact with the acception of the "space mods" that at one time were only in the store before people complained, I never specifically mentioned any particular item in the CM Store. I have been addressing, all along, that there should not be a way to "avoid hard mechanics" or "obtain items that give the same reward as those in the game". One should have earn powerful items ( or craft ) by means of playing the rule set of the game as designed and not by plunking down a wad of cash to avoid something that is hard or obtain some advantage. There are those like the poster in question that what to buy their way past aspects of the game that they don't have the ability to perform. That is what I have been arguing, contrary to what the poster to which you are engaging is trying to misrepresent.

Sigh. Your own words trip you up. You can't earn a Pink Purple crystal by *any other means*. A Pink Purple +41 crystal, unbound, that may be used by a lvl 10 character, is not available in the game, as a reward, for *any* quest.

So. It's not the same reward that's available in game. Those other crystals you're talking about? They're lvl 50. And they don't come in Pink Purple.

As you can't gain the Pink Purple crystals using any 'hard mechanic', you should really have no problem with them.

If you're going to debate, you really need to learn how.

p2w is not a measure of NECESSITY to play the game.

p2w is when an item that grants an ingame advantage - ANY numerical or time ingame advantage - is created solely via RMT transactions to the game's provider.

By that definition, the level 10, +41 crystals are p2w. The g7 spaceship kits were p2w when implemented. They may still be; I dunno; I don't follow space combat stuff.

If you want to get back to necessity for a moment, though...

The g7 spaceship kits ARE required to complete the heroic missions, at least as far as I can tell from those who enjoy space combat and communicate about such things.

The +41 Hawkeye crystals are not technically required for level 10-49 PvP; however, what PvP player is going to knowingly go out onto the battlefield without one?

The fact that EA was brilliant in their p2w implementation by letting stuff be sold on the GTN and giving subscribers coins is irrelevant to the definition of p2w. They did that to obfuscate the p2w nature of the shop, then they snuck things in - like the +41 crystals - that the "white knights" will argue to death are "only a small advantage". And maybe that's the extent of the p2w they'll put in the market.

But players WILL spend money to get an ingame advantage, then other players WILL spend money to keep up with that first set. That's the reason gold sellers exist. EA knows this, and EA loves them some money.

What do YOU think will happen next?

The fail is strong with this one. Bolster pretty much balances things out in PvP. Not entirely. But enough that a good player will still eat a poor one, regardless of kit, in 10-49.

People are still playing. Not saying you are. But, you know. People. We're still playing. You should give it a shot.