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Revan, Surik, Malak(redeemed) vs The Emperor, The Emperor's Wrath, Scourge.

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Revan, Surik, Malak(redeemed) vs The Emperor, The Emperor's Wrath, Scourge.

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LadyKulvax
02.28.2013 , 09:50 AM | #1
A whole lot of spoilers here, so watch it.

Yeh I went there, All of these characters in their prime.

Now let me set my epic fantasy ending up the way I'd love it to be:

Malak, now Alek, a redeemed Dark Lord of the Sith was rebuilt slowly by the machines of what is left of the Star Forge above Lehon, with the guidance of Surik she takes him back to known space, more specifically to Revan who has escaped the Foundry whilst also tricking the Empire into believing he's dead, Surik through her enlightened power combined with the power of Revan and Alek, she rebuilds her own body through the force(Totally stole that from Exar Kun).

Now they have a perfect chance, all three of them are 'dead' as far as the galaxy goes, with the failure of the Hero of Tython the Emperor has returned and regained his strength, Scourge has returned to his side believing his Lord Emperor to be truly immortal and the Republic is digging it's heels due to the renewed assaults by the reinvigorated Empire led by all the new powers.

With the heroes of the Republic engaged with the heroes of the Empire, Jedi Master Revan with the Exile and his old friend takes the journey to Dromund Kaas for the third time, this is the last hope for galaxy.

Revan, Alek and Surik must take down the Emperor, his Wrath and Lord Scourge or the galaxy is doomed to die.

I know what some are thinking, if the Emperor gets beaten he can just escape to a new body, well not if the three powerful Jedi raise a Wall of Light and sever his connection, which is how this battle ends if it goes the Jedi's way.
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_biddan_
02.28.2013 , 10:06 AM | #2
it's like saying:
who would win between 3 ants and 3 lions?
malak would go down first,followed by surik and then the wrath would choke revan to death.
then the wrath would kill both scourge and the emperor becoming the new emperor.
i love happy endings.
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LadyKulvax
02.28.2013 , 10:06 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by _biddan_ View Post
it's like saying:
who would win between 3 ants and 3 lions?
malak would go down first,followed by surik and then the wrath would choke revan to death.
What a well constructed argument.
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_biddan_
02.28.2013 , 10:07 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by LadyKulvax View Post
What a well constructed argument.
well constructed arguments are nothing next to the power of the force.
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MyDarkSunshine
02.28.2013 , 10:08 AM | #5
Interesting. I'd see them 'pairing' like this initially: Revan against The Emperor, The Exile against The Wrath, and Malak against Scourge. In my mind, the entire battle hinges on the fight between The Exile and The Wrath. Scourge will probably defeat Malak in the long run, but Revan can hold against The Emperor for a time (he's done so before). The winner of The Exile and The Wrath would be free to intervene in first the Malak vs Scourge encounter, and then bring themself and their ally against ether Revan or The Emperor.

So, of these two combatants, who has the upper hand? The Wrath is an impressive saber combatant, fueled by the intense energies of the dark side and capable of bringing havoc and ruin to all his/her foes. Believed to be stronger/feared by those of the Dark Council, The Wrath poses a serious threat to The Exile who has been defeated by one of their number before. However The Exile is no push over, skilled with a lightsaber and possessing a vast knowledge of the light side of The Force she has taken on beings of the dark side that could consume worlds and become immortal. It is this knowledge of the Force and the powers it brings that make me believe she would be the victor here: using her unique abilities she could undermine The Wrath's connection to the dark side and bolster her own abilities with Force enlightenment, allowing her to go head to head with The Wrath in saber combat and leave the victor.

Once that is done, she need only pay Scourge back for his betrayal, and regardless of whether or not she is in time to save Malak move on to face The Emperor. It might actually be preferable Malak lose in his fight to Scourge, for his mind and will are less tested against The Emperor's mind control and whereas Revan and The Exile can resist it, Malak might simply be forced to submit and change sides; reverting to his cruel, aggressive dark side persona. Whether three against one, two against one or three against two, the next stage of this battle is far from certain.

It was unsure whether or not a combined team of Revan, The Exile and Scourge could defeat The Emperor, and Malak is arguably weaker than the former Wrath. By now Revan will be growing weak, having survived the onslaught of The Emperor for as long as was needed for his allies to arrive, he is likely to be drawing on his last reserves, albeit still determined to finally end this threat to the galaxy. Malak would be unwise to challenge The Emperor head on, however it is the only method in which he stands a chance of victory: him and Revan need to keep close to The Emperor, forcing him to fight on their terms (in lightsaber combat) and not utilize his vast array of dark side powers. They also need to keep him distracted from The Exile, the true threat to his ascension, whilst she begins to weaken his connection to the dark side and build the wall of light.

Assuming they can manage that, and assuming The Exile would indeed beat The Wrath, The Emperor might finally meet his demise.
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LadyKulvax
02.28.2013 , 10:09 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by _biddan_ View Post
well constructed arguments are nothing next to the power of the force.
Have anything constructive to add to this debate or...... ?
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_biddan_
02.28.2013 , 10:11 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by MyDarkSunshine View Post
Interesting. I'd see them 'pairing' like this initially: Revan against The Emperor, The Exile against The Wrath, and Malak against Scourge. In my mind, the entire battle hinges on the fight between The Exile and The Wrath. Scourge will probably defeat Malak in the long run, but Revan can hold against The Emperor for a time (he's done so before). The winner of The Exile and The Wrath would be free to intervene in first the Malak vs Scourge encounter, and then bring themself and their ally against ether Revan or The Emperor.

So, of these two combatants, who has the upper hand? The Wrath is an impressive saber combatant, fueled by the intense energies of the dark side and capable of bringing havoc and ruin to all his/her foes. Believed to be stronger/feared by those of the Dark Council, The Wrath poses a serious threat to The Exile who has been defeated by one of their number before. However The Exile is no push over, skilled with a lightsaber and possessing a vast knowledge of the light side of The Force she has taken on beings of the dark side that could consume worlds and become immortal. It is this knowledge of the Force and the powers it brings that make me believe she would be the victor here: using her unique abilities she could undermine The Wrath's connection to the dark side and bolster her own abilities with Force enlightenment, allowing her to go head to head with The Wrath in saber combat and leave the victor.

Once that is done, she need only pay Scourge back for his betrayal, and regardless of whether or not she is in time to save Malak move on to face The Emperor. It might actually be preferable Malak lose in his fight to Scourge, for his mind and will are less tested against The Emperor's mind control and whereas Revan and The Exile can resist it, Malak might simply be forced to submit and change sides; reverting to his cruel, aggressive dark side persona. Whether three against one, two against one or three against two, the next stage of this battle is far from certain.

It was unsure whether or not a combined team of Revan, The Exile and Scourge could defeat The Emperor, and Malak is arguably weaker than the former Wrath. By now Revan will be growing weak, having survived the onslaught of The Emperor for as long as was needed for his allies to arrive, he is likely to be drawing on his last reserves, albeit still determined to finally end this threat to the galaxy. Malak would be unwise to challenge The Emperor head on, however it is the only method in which he stands a chance of victory: him and Revan need to keep close to The Emperor, forcing him to fight on their terms (in lightsaber combat) and not utilize his vast array of dark side powers. They also need to keep him distracted from The Exile, the true threat to his ascension, whilst she begins to weaken his connection to the dark side and build the wall of light.

Assuming they can manage that, and assuming The Exile would indeed beat The Wrath, The Emperor might finally meet his demise.
woah woah woah slow down,what if i put this condition:
the wrath is secretely a follower of the light side,BUT,he can't join revan?

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02.28.2013 , 10:12 AM | #8
Difficult situation.

If, out of hand, we are to assume that the Emperor has not recovered sufficient strength to be able to curb stomp Revan/Jedi Exile again, there's a fighting chance.

Scourge is kind of a sissy, so taking him out would be the first step to an offensive operation. Make it look like he was killed in a powerplay by another Sith Lord or member of the Dark council before moving against the Emperor himself.

When redeemed, does Malak have an equivalent level of power to what he had as a Sith Lord? If so, he should be an even match for the Emperor's Wrath. If he engages the Emperor's Wrath in melee combat, Revan and the Jedi Exile can once more contend with the Emperor.

However, this leaves much to chance. If Revan believes he can delay the Emperor long enough for the Jedi Exile and Malak to murder the **** out of the Emperor's Wrath (let's face it, 2 vs. 1, that boy's gonna die.) Then it would be a matter of the three heroes engaging the Emperor... where they might just triumph.
The Heir to ChaosAdded Chapter Sixteen-- 17 APR 2013
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” ~ George Orwell

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LadyKulvax
02.28.2013 , 10:16 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by MyDarkSunshine View Post
*Snip*
Well done, but just to quickly intervene here, Malak is NOT a pushover and the likelihood that Scourge could take Malak one on one is rather low, Malak is considered one of the best duellists of his age and was considered very proficient in the Force, he took on Revan in what was arguably his prime, through a very prolonged and tough duel.

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During his time as a Jedi, Malak was trained as a Jedi Guardian, focusing on lightsaber combat and physical aspects of the Force. Eventually, Darth Malak came to be counted among the skilled swordsmen of his time. In combat, he fought in a one-handed, aggressive style. During his torture sessions at the hands of Demagol on Flashpoint Station, Alek used the Force to block the pain that Demagol caused him. As a Jedi, Malak used the Force as a means of protection and healing. During his later reign as a Sith Lord, Malak employed the Force to choke more than one person at a time. Before his final duel with Revan, Malak demonstrated this ability to the former Sith Lord, simultaneously choking two of the Jedi that he had captured. Immediately after, the Dark Lord exemplified his skills by throwing and plunging his lightsaber into the chest of one of the captured Jedi. Malak's strength with the Force enabled him to create a whirlwind of Force energy that would encircle his victim, and he also possessed the ability to create a stasis field with the Force that he used to freeze his enemies in place. He was proficient in using the Force to augment his speed and to suppress the abilities of another Force user. Malak was able to render himself virtually invulnerable to most Force powers for a limited amount of time, and was additionally capable of leaping large distances in order to reach his enemy.
Darth Malak was able to amplify his screams, triggering shock waves that rippled through the Force. He also used the Force to tap into his innermost fears, pain, and hate and convert them into intense anger, which could be channeled to increase his speed, strength, and ferocity. Malak's connection to the dark side gave him the use of Dark Healing, an ability that fueled one's regenerative processes by draining the life force of another. He was skilled in the use of Sith sorcery. During his time as a Sith, Malak was proficient in Force lightning, which he used with ease while torturing Bastila Shan and while dueling Revan aboard the Star Forge.
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Ventessel
02.28.2013 , 10:17 AM | #10
Difficult situation.

If, out of hand, we are to assume that the Emperor has not recovered sufficient strength to be able to curb stomp Revan/Jedi Exile again, there's a fighting chance.

Scourge is kind of a sissy, so taking him out would be the first step to an offensive operation. Make it look like he was killed in a powerplay by another Sith Lord or member of the Dark council before moving against the Emperor himself.

When redeemed, does Malak have an equivalent level of power to what he had as a Sith Lord? If so, he should be an even match for the Emperor's Wrath. If he engages the Emperor's Wrath in melee combat, Revan and the Jedi Exile can once more contend with the Emperor.

However, this leaves much to chance. If Revan believes he can delay the Emperor long enough for the Jedi Exile and Malak to murder the **** out of the Emperor's Wrath (let's face it, 2 vs. 1, that boy's gonna die.) Then it would be a matter of the three heroes engaging the Emperor... where they might just triumph.
The Heir to ChaosAdded Chapter Sixteen-- 17 APR 2013
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” ~ George Orwell