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Hybrid Shadow Spec 2.0


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totenalles
02.23.2013 , 06:53 AM | #11
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The problem with our trees right now is they all proc on something (usually thrash) that our energy pool has trouble activating. Because of the proc reliance, using saber strikes in your rotation will drastically reduce your damage output, and that's the case for all the specs. I'm still waiting to see what BW does to the darkness tree to fix the force issues, but in the meantime you need 5/36/5 to make the most out of our procs.

Frankly I'm surprised you were able to get anything besides deception over 2300. I'm guessing if you specced it right and rotated properly you'd easily finish over 2400 or 2500 dps.
I tried this spec and still am hitting the low 2100's and having to saber strike to fill in the times my Dark Embrace rotations are on cooldown. the fact is, 50% chance to regain 10 force from an ability that costs 10 force in itself, only gives me a net gain of 12 force in that second, which is quickly spent on another voltaic. The only time you wont be starved is when dark embrace is active (for a grand total of 6 lousy seconds). But i also failed to notice you mentioned your hitting a warzone trainng dummy, where all my parses were from an operations training dummy. I still dont understand how you got away with never using saber strike, so if u could link a torparse file so i could take some notes, that'd be great.
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JP_Legatus
02.23.2013 , 08:47 AM | #12
The dummy you attack isn't really relevant, deception clearly had more dps in every trial I performed. I'll post a parse later on.
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PeteyLo
02.23.2013 , 12:44 PM | #13
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Wakajinn unchanged? Any surging charge spec that doesn't take voltaic slash is pretty much garbage now.
But I'll agree to the possibility that the dark maul variation may be the best huttball spec for now, I've ben using that in huttball for months and it seems to be mostly left intact.

Did a dps parse on my warzone training dummy in my ship using only the gear given freely on the PTS.
Deception: 2300+
Madness: 2200+
Darkness: 1500+

This was with no relics and a few mistakes here and there, so the numbers can be improved a bit. Deception definitely has the highest total damage output atm though. Darkness will improve greatly when it has the force to use it's moves. (bioware posted saying they will improve darkness force management)

So there's some numbers for you, and yes deception higher than madness is accurate.
As I have said previously deception is now longer that, "recklessness have everything proc dead," spec any more it is more sustained dps than anything... I only ran it for a couple of warzones but I hated it. Full darkness seems to be the way to go in my opinion. Face-to-face mauls, 6k shocks, etc.

Madness does seem alot of fun now... to bad they took out unearthed knowledge. .-.
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JP_Legatus
02.23.2013 , 02:31 PM | #14
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As I have said previously deception is now longer that, "recklessness have everything proc dead," spec any more it is more sustained dps than anything... I only ran it for a couple of warzones but I hated it. Full darkness seems to be the way to go in my opinion. Face-to-face mauls, 6k shocks, etc.

Madness does seem alot of fun now... to bad they took out unearthed knowledge. .-.
Yeah this pretty much sums up my feelings about it, but the darkness tree is kind of retarded right now because you can't use all the talents in the tree - they cost too much force. You can still run the old darkness, but nobody is going to be making use of energize and the new maul talent because it's too expensive.

When bioware fixes the force issues I think that spec will be tops in terms of 1v1, deception in terms of single target dps, and madness will be a tab-dotting dps pressure spec (squishy and most likely useless).
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cripito
02.25.2013 , 06:50 PM | #15
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Yeah this pretty much sums up my feelings about it, but the darkness tree is kind of retarded right now because you can't use all the talents in the tree - they cost too much force. You can still run the old darkness, but nobody is going to be making use of energize and the new maul talent because it's too expensive.

When bioware fixes the force issues I think that spec will be tops in terms of 1v1, deception in terms of single target dps, and madness will be a tab-dotting dps pressure spec (squishy and most likely useless).
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Valkyrst
03.03.2013 , 06:28 AM | #16
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Way too much saber strike. You need to drop the charge damage talent and add the reduction to shock and VS cost. I'm pretty sure I never used saber strike in my deception rotation. Best spec is 5/36/5, got 2330 on second try and didn't really maximize it very well. Not using anything other than the free gear on the PTS (no relics/adrenals/stims).

The problem with our trees right now is they all proc on something (usually thrash) that our energy pool has trouble activating. Because of the proc reliance, using saber strikes in your rotation will drastically reduce your damage output, and that's the case for all the specs. I'm still waiting to see what BW does to the darkness tree to fix the force issues, but in the meantime you need 5/36/5 to make the most out of our procs.

Frankly I'm surprised you were able to get anything besides deception over 2300. I'm guessing if you specced it right and rotated properly you'd easily finish over 2400 or 2500 dps.
Can I ask what gear you're using?

I'm using my Min-Maxed PVP setup from Live plus the Partisan Implants/Earpieces.

My crits on the parses I do always tend to be around 20% because my actual crit is around 18% buffed.

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JP_Legatus
03.04.2013 , 05:17 AM | #17
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Can I ask what gear you're using?

I'm using my Min-Maxed PVP setup from Live plus the Partisan Implants/Earpieces.

My crits on the parses I do always tend to be around 20% because my actual crit is around 18% buffed.
I had the stock arkanian stalker set which gets a bonus to crit chance of VS and just plain does more dummy damage. The bonus and melee crit buff gave my VS about a 50% crit chance when the buff was up. I can't actually remember but I don't think I had a stim. It wasn't min/maxed gear either, but it had the pve stalker set bonus which is important.

I explained how I did it in one of the threads that now has like 50 pages, but basically the procs are really stupid. It's not only important to low slash/maul whenever possible, you also really have to concentrate on your surging charge procs so you don't waste any. You should be able to discharge every 6-9 seconds and in some cases discharge before using your maul or shock procs to prevent wasting surging charge hits. Using your cooldowns intelligently is also stupidly important in this spec now to max the dps.

While I'm pretty sure I can beat the top parse in the list if I put some effort into it, the stalker gear is no longer given freely away (I deleted mine to do some naked warzones the day before bioware removed it) and I don't want to min/max anything. On top of that, it's clear our dps trees suck balls anyways so it's a wasted effort.

Bottom line: 2200 dps is about what most people should be doing without going really overboard, and the spec isn't even fun anymore.
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