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anonnn
03.07.2013 , 01:38 PM | #241
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
The fact that there is no valid need for the change you are requesting is all the valid basis needed to object.
The original poster made a decision to go ahead on the [PVP] missions in the Gree Event to get a larger quantity of Trophies for the day. His experience once he did so I knew was highly probable and is exactly the reason I chose to avoid those missions. THE CONTRAST BETWEEN MY SATISFACTION WITH THE EVENT AND THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S SATISFACTION WITH THE EVENT IS UNSHAKABLE PROOF THAT THE GREE EVENT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. Nothing more needs to be said.
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The logic you employ is fascinating. You claim that the strong basis of the argument that there is no need for a change to the Gree Event, is that there is no valid need for a change to the Gree Event. Here we all see the half of the argument that is based upon gross inconsideration of others... would you like next to reach for the other half of your argument, that is based upon ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place?

The Gree Event will repeat, I would predict it will be far earlier than the end of the year... probably in September when the kids are fresh in school again. Thus it's important for BioWare to plan appropriately, to get any changes they decide to make to the Gree Event, into the game by that time of this year.
Boring conversation anyway.
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LanceCorporalDan
03.07.2013 , 01:50 PM | #242
25 pages later... And I still see no need to change for event change.
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SWGEvictee
03.07.2013 , 01:58 PM | #243
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
The original poster made a decision to go ahead on the [PVP] missions in the Gree Event to get a larger quantity of Trophies for the day. His experience once he did so I knew was highly probable and is exactly the reason I chose to avoid those missions. THE CONTRAST BETWEEN MY SATISFACTION WITH THE EVENT AND THE ORIGINAL POSTER'S SATISFACTION WITH THE EVENT IS UNSHAKABLE PROOF THAT THE GREE EVENT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. Nothing more needs to be said.
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The logic you employ is fascinating. You claim that the strong basis of the argument that there is no need for a change to the Gree Event, is that there is no valid need for a change to the Gree Event. Here we all see the half of the argument that is based upon gross inconsideration of others... would you like next to reach for the other half of your argument, that is based upon ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place?

The Gree Event will repeat, I would predict it will be far earlier than the end of the year... probably in September when the kids are fresh in school again. Thus it's important for BioWare to plan appropriately, to get any changes they decide to make to the Gree Event, into the game by that time of this year.
Really? Despite the fact that it has been shown that engaging in the PvP missions was not needed to acquire event items and rewards your still trying to say that because he did so voluntarily and didn't care for it that time and effort should be wasted making changes that aren't needed?

If you can't come up with better reasoning stop wasting your time. Its getting sad.

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anonnn
03.07.2013 , 02:25 PM | #244
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
Really? Despite the fact that it has been shown that engaging in the PvP missions was not needed to acquire event items and rewards your still trying to say that because he did so voluntarily and didn't care for it that time and effort should be wasted making changes that aren't needed?

If you can't come up with better reasoning stop wasting your time. Its getting sad.
Much like Disneyland, it's all about the experience. How many strictly PvE-only players do you think had the same experience as either me or the Original Poster, and either:
  • chose to forgo the Gree Event's [PVP] missions and had to work around the [PVP] missions listed on the terminal every day at the event, wishing there was a non-PVP way to get the full daily reward possible,
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  • chose to take the risk of flagging for PvP (even though having a strong inclination not to do so) in order to go on the PvP missions and get the full possible daily reward, only to find that it's an experience that ruins the fun of the Event that was supposed to be enjoyable in the first place

This that you've posted is the other half of your argument, that is based upon ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place. 25 pages later... and you still don't get it? If you can't understand the basis of the need, then just change your Thread Subscription to "Do not subscribe". There is no "argument" that you can state that can't be immediately pushed over just by re-stating the obvious, that strictly PvE-only players should be given due consideration in all Events.
Boring conversation anyway.
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SWGEvictee
03.07.2013 , 02:59 PM | #245
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Much like Disneyland, it's all about the experience. How many strictly PvE-only players do you think had the same experience as either me or the Original Poster, and either:
  • chose to forgo the Gree Event's [PVP] missions and had to work around the [PVP] missions listed on the terminal every day at the event, wishing there was a non-PVP way to get the full daily reward possible,
    ______________________________OR:
  • chose to take the risk of flagging for PvP (even though having a strong inclination not to do so) in order to go on the PvP missions and get the full possible daily reward, only to find that it's an experience that ruins the fun of the Event that was supposed to be enjoyable in the first place

This that you've posted is the other half of your argument, that is based upon ignorance of why something is being requested in the first place. 25 pages later... and you still don't get it? If you can't understand the basis of the need, then just change your Thread Subscription to "Do not subscribe". There is no "argument" that you can state that can't be immediately pushed over just by re-stating the obvious, that strictly PvE-only players should be given due consideration in all Events.

And despite your repeating it for the umpteenth million time, you still have not shown why strictly PvE only players need to be shown extra consideration.

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anonnn
03.07.2013 , 03:06 PM | #246
Quote: Originally Posted by SWGEvictee View Post
And despite your repeating it for the umpteenth million time, you still have not shown why strictly PvE only players need to be shown extra consideration.
I think the gross misconduct, severe lack of basic consideration, and vacuous grandiose arguments against this thread are enough to go on...
Boring conversation anyway.
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LanceCorporalDan
03.07.2013 , 03:58 PM | #247
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
I think the gross misconduct, severe lack of basic consideration, and vacuous grandiose arguments against this thread are enough to go on...
I have consideration for PvE'rs it's just that after MUCH consideration I don't think only one type of player base should be catered to exclusively...
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PetFish
03.07.2013 , 04:00 PM | #248
Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
This is not particularly useful data, it represents very little for the typical player - recompute the achievement if you have only 1 level 50 character, and can only find time to login half the days of the event.
You don't get any Gray Helix Components for doing PvP at all. You never have to set a single foot in the PvP area. For getting a Gree weapon you have the same opportunity to get one on 1 toon or 100. Only reputation items are Legacy-wide but weapons are acquired per character.

If you login half the days it'll be a little trouble to get to 18 GHC's but that's not the fault of the event. Do you think they need to call every person and ask them when they're going to play so they are guaranteed to get a Gree weapon? At least they've already said it's a recurring event. I think they struck a very nice compromise between people that don't/can't play every day and people like me who have no life right now and *can* play every day. The average player will easily be able to get to at least 18 GHC's and the casual player will be able to get them at some point... all without going into the PvP area once.

Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
At that point, what are the chances that running only the PvE missions will get you no reward item, and running the PvE missions plus the PvP missions will just barely get you a reward item?
0% (I almost put 100% except I noticed the double-negative)
You will easily be able to get a reward item running only the PvE missions. In fact, running PvE missions are the ONLY way to get a reward item. PvP has nothing to do with anything regarding reward items.

Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
This really is about as narrow a consideration as it gets, to take data from someone who has run 8 characters through the Event missions every day for 14 days in a row. You're obligated to take into account that the Gray Helix Components are Bound, and for any character you want to be able to purchase a reward item, that specific character has to be run through the missions nearly every day, or you have no chance whatsoever of getting 18+, and even more trouble getting enough Trophies for reputation levels to unlock the purchase.
It doesn't matter if I run 8 characters every day or 1, they all have the same opportunity to get the GHC's.

Quote: Originally Posted by anonnn View Post
Also, depending on what time of day you're able to login for the Event, it might not be possible to find good groups for any of the Xeno/WB missions.
I can't believe how nit-picky you're being. So now the event has to take into consideration for when people play? The game runs almost 24/7, if you aren't on during a "good" time then try again in an hour, or another hour, you have 14 days of 99% up-time to run 2 lousy Xenoanalyst missions.

The Return of the Gree was/is a great event. It worked out well for most people, not so well for a few, and extremely well for even fewer like myself. I was able to take advantage *because* I have a lot of characters and no life, and I am the exception not the rule, but for some reason you think people that don't play much should somehow have the same opportunity as me and that somehow you're a Champion for their cause?
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anonnn
03.07.2013 , 06:46 PM | #249
Quote: Originally Posted by PetFish View Post
You don't get any Gray Helix Components for doing PvP at all. You never have to set a single foot in the PvP area. For getting a Gree weapon you have the same opportunity to get one on 1 toon or 100. Only reputation items are Legacy-wide but weapons are acquired per character.

If you login half the days it'll be a little trouble to get to 18 GHC's but that's not the fault of the event. Do you think they need to call every person and ask them when they're going to play so they are guaranteed to get a Gree weapon? At least they've already said it's a recurring event. I think they struck a very nice compromise between people that don't/can't play every day and people like me who have no life right now and *can* play every day. The average player will easily be able to get to at least 18 GHC's and the casual player will be able to get them at some point... all without going into the PvP area once.



0% (I almost put 100% except I noticed the double-negative)
You will easily be able to get a reward item running only the PvE missions. In fact, running PvE missions are the ONLY way to get a reward item. PvP has nothing to do with anything regarding reward items.



It doesn't matter if I run 8 characters every day or 1, they all have the same opportunity to get the GHC's.



I can't believe how nit-picky you're being. So now the event has to take into consideration for when people play? The game runs almost 24/7, if you aren't on during a "good" time then try again in an hour, or another hour, you have 14 days of 99% up-time to run 2 lousy Xenoanalyst missions.

The Return of the Gree was/is a great event. It worked out well for most people, not so well for a few, and extremely well for even fewer like myself. I was able to take advantage *because* I have a lot of characters and no life, and I am the exception not the rule, but for some reason you think people that don't play much should somehow have the same opportunity as me and that somehow you're a Champion for their cause?
All 3 of you just keep starkly repeating the same deflated arguments as if it's some sort of rationale for a denial of consideration. Not a single one of you have adequately addressed the entire issue:
  • PvP-only missions in a special Event draws strictly PvE-only players into PvP missions against their better judgement
Strictly PvE-only players want to get the full daily possible Trophies and Gray Helix Components just like everyone else, so they can also have the top probability of getting their hands on the awesome Gree weapons the first (or second) time around. There will be new players in a certain amount every time the Gree Event recurs, so this problem is going to pop up again, and again, and again ...

You can't just pretend it doesn't need to change, for the Event itself to be considerate of the strictly PvE-only players; how the Events are working now IS what is inconsiderate of strictly PvE-only players. If you want to keep yammering on about how it seems so possible to still get plenty of rewards even if you're not doing 2 of the 7 missions each day, you're only going to cause yourself undue frustration as I push your weak and inconsiderate arguments over again, and again ...

Given that the change requested for Event missions (to make them "[PVP/PVE]") has no impact on the PvP players' mission-going abilities, on what possible rationale do you think clobbering this request repeatedly makes you look anything but completely selfish and inconsiderate? Not a single argument any of you have made even holds water.

The fact that you all keep beIligerently refusing to consider the Event enjoyment of strictly PvE-only players, and that I can easily keep pushing over your blatantly mis-placed arguments where no argument actually exists is proof enough that BioWare needs to take this change for the Gree Event into very serious consideration.
Boring conversation anyway.
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03.07.2013 , 07:13 PM | #250
Quote: Originally Posted by HurricaneEagle View Post
I don't mind open world PVP, but this Gree event has opened the floodgates of griefing players. There's no reason a 50 should be attacking a 43. Much less standing near the respawn point and killing on respawn.
What? You mean that ganking players who are either a) too low-level to have any reasonable chance of even inconveniencing you while you kill them, b) lack the gear to be a credible threat do you, or c) don't have enough PvP experience to be able to defend themselves effectively ISN'T the be-all and end-all proof of your unimpeachable superiority as a total master of PvP?

I'm shocked.