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Re-visiting the Battle of Hoth: General Rieekan vs General Veers!

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Re-visiting the Battle of Hoth: General Rieekan vs General Veers!

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Wolfninjajedi
02.20.2013 , 01:49 PM | #1
Figured this would be interesting, a sort of what if Scenario. So anywhere here is my VS thread, pitting General Rieekan against General Veers only this time the Rebels have more in store for the approaching Veers and his Blizzard Force. Anyway lets get down to the rules...

Rules

1. Tech is the same as it is shown in the movies and EU(all of it)

2. Provide a reasonable explanation as to why either side could win, no just saying "so and so stomps because of tech, or troops or whatever".
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Now here is listing what each person has at their disposal.

General Rieekan

He has access to the things in Echo Base, minus the X-wings/Y-wings/Falcon/Outrider. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Echo_Base

Edit: Rieekan only had 4 Snowspeeders to use now, and the rebels only have their trenches no weapon emplacements however the Specforce still have their own heavy weapons.

Along with....

4 AT-APs= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Attack_Pod

2 HAVws= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy..._A6_Juggernaut

2 MPTLs= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mobil...do_Launcher-2a

2 T4-B Heavy Tanks= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/T4-B_heavy_tank

3 AT-TEs= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...tical_Enforcer

2 AT-XTs= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...ntal_Transport

Specforce Wilderness Fighters(lets say 1,800 men)= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wilderness_Fighters

Also to those of you who question the Rebel SpecForces have a look...

Quote:
The average SpecForce trooper was a few years older than a regular Rebel soldier, had above average physical and mental abilities and was dedicated to the Alliance and its cause. While they tended to be a little wild in their private lives, when in the field they generally were extremely professional. Like most Alliance soldiers SpecForce troopers were idealistic and committed to the Rebellion against the Empire, although they tended to be even more dedicated. A great number of them were former soldiers from the Empire.
Quote:
SpecForce troopers were trained to use a variety of tactics, easily adapting to different environments and finding ways to take cover and hold a position in any situation. Hand blasters were standard for every soldier, but some divisions have been known to specialize in particular equipment for some of the more dangerous missions.
Quote:
"The first lesson they taught us in drop camp - basic training for Alliance Special Forces - is that knowing what a weapon can and can't do is important, but the true measure of a soldier does not lie in force of arms. A soldier relies on skill, intelligence and good fortune. A poor soldier relies on a weapon... and weapons can always fail."
―Colonel Marck Linth, Alliance SpecForces (5th Regiment).
Quote:
Basic SpecForce training included two months of weapons drill using blasters, heavy weaponry, hand weapons and slugthrowers.
Now moving onto the Wilderness Fighters strictly since this is there area.
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Quote:
SpecForce Wilderness Fighters, sometimes called Rangers were trained to use their terrain for the best tactical advantage in fighting. They were more mobile than their urban counterparts, and often equipped with A280 and A295 blaster rifles. Since there were so many different terrain types companies specialized for specific combat conditions: arctic, aquatic, jungle/forest, mountain, desert and plains. White-uniformed rangers, trained to work in cold terrain, were present during the Battle of Hoth.

Wilderness regiments were the only SpecForce branch to maintain repulsortank units without the involvement of other trooper specializations. They were trained to use heavy weapons and artillery to reduce their reliance on Heavy Weapon Specialists.
The Specforce also does have heavy weapons with them for this battle.

Edit: Also in Echo Base, Rieekan has 600 regular Rebel Troops just for base defense.
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General Veers

He has access to Blizzard Force= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blizzard_Force

This includes

4 AT-ATs= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...ored_Transport(limiting the number, 9 was just way too many.)

A number of HAVws(lets just say he has 4)= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heavy..._A6_Juggernaut

A number of AT-STs(lets say 6)= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...cout_Transport

A number of AT-ARs(lets say 2)= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...Advance_Raider

A number of AT-PTs(lets say 4)= http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_T...onal_Transport

A number of SnowTroopers(lets say an Imperial Regiment, so 2,500 troops.)
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Now I know this is a lot to read, especially for Rieekan but was wanting to point out that the Rebel Alliance did have trained troops that could deal with the Empire.
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Aurbere
02.20.2013 , 03:03 PM | #2
I have thought about this particular scenario a few times.

I think, in an all out battle, General Rieekan would eventually win. It depends on how he positions his forces. The MPTLs and AT-TEs will be useful in taking out some of the heavy walkers, and the specforce troops will be able to take on the Snowtroopers for a time, but I feel that Rieekan will be pushed back into Echo Base eventually.

But this is actually a good thing since there will be no retreat (if there is no option). General Rieekan can position his troops and set up traps for the Snowtroopers (who will be cut off from the AT-ATs). So once the supporting Snowtroopers are down, the SpecForce soldiers and whatever reserve armor Rieekan has can be moved (from what was the shuttle landing zone of Echo Base) to flank the remaining forces in Blizzard Force.

All in all, I think that Rieekan's position in Echo Base (and the fact that he doesn't have to worry about retreating to save the Rebellion) will win him the battle. The Heavy Armor helps too.
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Wolfninjajedi
02.20.2013 , 03:51 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
I have thought about this particular scenario a few times.

I think, in an all out battle, General Rieekan would eventually win. It depends on how he positions his forces. The MPTLs and AT-TEs will be useful in taking out some of the heavy walkers, and the specforce troops will be able to take on the Snowtroopers for a time, but I feel that Rieekan will be pushed back into Echo Base eventually.

But this is actually a good thing since there will be no retreat (if there is no option). General Rieekan can position his troops and set up traps for the Snowtroopers (who will be cut off from the AT-ATs). So once the supporting Snowtroopers are down, the SpecForce soldiers and whatever reserve armor Rieekan has can be moved (from what was the shuttle landing zone of Echo Base) to flank the remaining forces in Blizzard Force.

All in all, I think that Rieekan's position in Echo Base (and the fact that he doesn't have to worry about retreating to save the Rebellion) will win him the battle. The Heavy Armor helps too.
Was thinking along the same lines, truthfully it seemed the Rebels only really retreated due to a lack of Armor amongst other things. Have no doubt, if they have some vehicles with them the battle would have been more in their favor provided they would be able to quickly down the AT-ATs.
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Aurbere
02.20.2013 , 04:13 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Was thinking along the same lines, truthfully it seemed the Rebels only really retreated due to a lack of Armor amongst other things. Have no doubt, if they have some vehicles with them the battle would have been more in their favor provided they would be able to quickly down the AT-ATs.
Yeah, I agree. Plus the Empire had unlimited resources to throw at them. But in this scenario, the Rebels have a high chance of winning.

Question: Is Rogue Squadron involved? That would seal the deal imo.
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Wolfninjajedi
02.20.2013 , 04:50 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Yeah, I agree. Plus the Empire had unlimited resources to throw at them. But in this scenario, the Rebels have a high chance of winning.

Question: Is Rogue Squadron involved? That would seal the deal imo.
Edit: Actually no, cause then it might be a spite in favor of the Rebels. So no Rogue Squadron however they still have rebel pilots to fly the Snowspeeders.
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Aurbere
02.20.2013 , 06:42 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Edit: Actually no, cause then it might be a spite in favor of the Rebels. So no Rogue Squadron however they still have rebel pilots to fly the Snowspeeders.
Well, so long as they have snowspeeders, the rebels are in good shape. I think they would win this one.
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SNCommand
02.20.2013 , 07:01 PM | #7
I'm afraid the Rebels and Rieekan just lacked the firepower, though Blizzard Force lacks anything to effectively counter Rieekan's air forces, their units are so heavily armored and so strong they will with time punch through the Rebel's defensive lines and annihilate opfor command

There will of course be imperial casualties, especially because of said lack of anti air weaponry, but as soon as the rebel staging area is threatened, there's nothing more they can do
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Wolfninjajedi
02.21.2013 , 09:47 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
I'm afraid the Rebels and Rieekan just lacked the firepower, though Blizzard Force lacks anything to effectively counter Rieekan's air forces, their units are so heavily armored and so strong they will with time punch through the Rebel's defensive lines and annihilate opfor command

There will of course be imperial casualties, especially because of said lack of anti air weaponry, but as soon as the rebel staging area is threatened, there's nothing more they can do
Well don't forget, the Wilderness Fighters have heavy weapons with them here for this scenario. Which means...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/PLX-2...ssile_launcher

Those and

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HH-15...ctile_launcher

These.

So they have the firepower along with any other heavy weaponry that I am forgetting, to cause significant damage.
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SNCommand
02.21.2013 , 11:11 AM | #9
Of course the Rebels had some firepower, but not enough, the movie clearly showed that whatever the Rebels fired at the Imperial armor had no effect, only an exploit of design made any impact on the imperial forces, and even that strategy was risky and difficult to pull off

In my mind, based on what resources where available to both commanders, the imperials would each and every time eventually break the rebel lines and send in the foot soldiers to wipe out the routing forces
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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jasonthelamb
02.21.2013 , 11:18 AM | #10
Maybe I'm confused, but is this a "give the Rebels more troops to make harder on the imps" type of scenario?


I think that at the end of the day, Empire wins; because if they can take down the shield generator and have guns pointed at the hangars, they'll just have too much firepower (hello orbital bombardments) against the Rebels. Everyone knew that the Rebels weren't making a stand at Hoth, they were simply giving officers and high-priority people time to escape.

End of the day, Empire wins this 10 out of 10.