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Please Eliminate Backfill

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Please Eliminate Backfill
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foxmob
02.14.2013 , 12:32 PM | #1
The search function on this board sucks, so once again...

when people leave WZs, almost always because their team is in a bad situation for one reason or another, another person who had absolutely NOTHING to do with the poor performance of the initial team is now thrust into said situation. more often than not, the new person leaves. then two more ppl leave, and two more ppl back fill only to leave when they realized they've been drafted blindly into an in-progress, losing WZ.

hey, I get it. sometimes you come in and turn the tide. sometimes a person on the winning team dc's and you get a free win. let's be honest, those are the rare occasions. the scenario described in the first paragraph is what occurs the VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME. this hurts the back fillers, either because they're cheated out of a fighting chance in a new wz or because they're sent to the end of the queue if they drop when they realized that they're back fill. this hurts the original teammates that don't leave the WZ because a) they are perpetually playing 1 or more men short while waiting for the back fills to arrive, drop, arrive, drop, etc. and b) instead of getting out of the WZ honorably by having it simply end due to lack of forces, they get the privileged of getting pounded on and sunk into a deeper hole. the only motivations NOT to drop are stubborn pride and the desire to spare an innocent back filler the agony that you're dealing with.

Dear BW and PvP community: you will NEVER eliminate quitters. People will ALWAYS quit. Holding out for back fill wastes more people's time and frustrates more players than it helps.

Please look at your server. If your PvP population is good, please petition to remove back fill from it. I realize that some oceanic servers are suffering from sparse populations and would rather keep unbalanced WZs open. But I assure you, that is not the case with the healthy PVE and PVP servers state side. Please, eliminate back fill. Let the WZs end rather than perpetuate a constant cycle of drop, refill, drop, refill, drop drop, etc.
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supafreak
02.14.2013 , 12:40 PM | #2
Id say after a certain amount of time dont back fill. Or if the score is like 4:0 dont back fill

I hate when its 5 vs 8 before the match starts, 1 leaves and 2 come in. If person 1 didnt leave we'd have a full darn group to start with
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02.14.2013 , 01:28 PM | #3 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
We have seen how bad backfill can be, loading into a game just to have it end 30s later is a major bummer so we are looking at ways we can make this system more efficient. Most likely we will set a point during each Warzone when it will no longer backfill, based on time remaining and/or a score differential between the teams.

Backfill won't be eliminated outright because it does serve a valuable purpose, we just want to make it better.

In addition, we also looking into (but no promises) the idea that we grant a medal for backfilling into a game that is in progress, to help make sure those backfillers don't miss out on rewards by not having enough time to get a medal on their own.

Cheers!
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02.14.2013 , 01:34 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
We have seen how bad backfill can be, loading into a game just to have it end 30s later is a major bummer so we are looking at ways we can make this system more efficient. Most likely we will set a point during each Warzone when it will no longer backfill, based on time remaining and/or a score differential between the teams.

Backfill won't be eliminated outright because it does serve a valuable purpose, we just want to make it better.

In addition, we also looking into (but no promises) the idea that we grant a medal for backfilling into a game that is in progress, to help make sure those backfillers don't miss out on rewards by not having enough time to get a medal on their own.

Cheers!
Thank you for the post.
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02.14.2013 , 01:40 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
We have seen how bad backfill can be, loading into a game just to have it end 30s later is a major bummer so we are looking at ways we can make this system more efficient. Most likely we will set a point during each Warzone when it will no longer backfill, based on time remaining and/or a score differential between the teams.

Backfill won't be eliminated outright because it does serve a valuable purpose, we just want to make it better.

In addition, we also looking into (but no promises) the idea that we grant a medal for backfilling into a game that is in progress, to help make sure those backfillers don't miss out on rewards by not having enough time to get a medal on their own.

Cheers!
As simpel as this, if you want players to have a reason to stay get that medal in.If i join late and i see there is no hope for reward i'm gone,so is everyone else.

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02.14.2013 , 01:42 PM | #6
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Backfill won't be eliminated outright because it does serve a valuable purpose, we just want to make it better.
This makes perfect sense. The suggestion to eliminate backfill completely is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
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Technohic
02.14.2013 , 01:43 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexModny View Post
We have seen how bad backfill can be, loading into a game just to have it end 30s later is a major bummer so we are looking at ways we can make this system more efficient. Most likely we will set a point during each Warzone when it will no longer backfill, based on time remaining and/or a score differential between the teams.

Backfill won't be eliminated outright because it does serve a valuable purpose, we just want to make it better.

In addition, we also looking into (but no promises) the idea that we grant a medal for backfilling into a game that is in progress, to help make sure those backfillers don't miss out on rewards by not having enough time to get a medal on their own.

Cheers!
That last part shows that this was not just a random post to please the masses, but you actually have read some suggestions.

Thank you
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02.14.2013 , 01:47 PM | #8
A great suggestion since it wont make someone feel as cheated to come into a game that's ending soon. +1 approval
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02.14.2013 , 01:48 PM | #9
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That last part shows that this was not just a random post to please the masses, but you actually have read some suggestions.

Thank you
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02.14.2013 , 02:02 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by V-Serp View Post
It only took about 2 years, from ignoring all the beta comments and reports and then ignoring all the subscribers.
I believe this is called Looking a Gift Horse in the Mouth.

Gratitude much?