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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)

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A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)
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Nitblade
02.15.2013 , 03:12 PM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
Anyone else amused that they closed the older 5* thread that mainly is against the price increases in favor of the newer 0* thread that has many "fans" arguing in favor of the price increases?
You preaching to the choir my man!
I used to be a lot more active on the forums , but i had a serious flaw in me it seems...I had an opinion that EAware didn't like. Hell in the last 2 months more then 70% of the posts i made vanished in a few Mod-Click thread delete.

And just why is it that when those criticism threads get deleted you see a new thread the next day but now it's filled with positive feedback...

for the repair cost i haven't been hit quite as hard as others, but most of my toons are in cheap Orange gear with good lvl mods but the best I have is Columi with BlackHole mods and on my Columi toon i'd say about 60% increase (used to be ~1.5k for a round of Dailies now is more like 2.5k)
But i know others that got more then doubled like my Jedi Tank friend
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Projawa
02.15.2013 , 03:12 PM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by Raiders View Post
Believe me, bioware is not reconsidering anything.

In their mind they fixed something which was broken... not even understanding that maybe the fact that it was broken saved them. Indeed, I (and certainly many others) would have cancelled my subs way before today if they had applied such ridiculous repair price in 1.2.

Anyway.. the only factor which matter for such company is real money.
Devs do not listen players.. but they listen to their Manager who at some point are listening to the financial director.
Hence, any subscription cancellation does count.. and will be analysed end of the month.

If after 1.7, they record a pick of cancellation and read the reason you attach to it ( swtor not fun , ridiculous repair price etc.), I tell you that the Dev will be asked to change that ASAP.

At the end it's just a matter of who you are :
- a hardcore player who can play hours, grind all dailies several time a week and can afford repair cost.
- a different type of player, who doesn't want to grind dailies just to afford any repair cost in OPS/FP etc. (whatever your reason)

I guess that the second type of players will cancel their subs at some point anytime soon..
To all people who are calling people like me "crying b / QQ" because I'm complaining about the sudden high repair cost, all consequences on the community etc.. I hope that you all have enough real money to give to EA... othewise believe me they'll not think twice to shut down all servers.

Don't forget, F2P is suppose to save this game and subs member as well.. but if they cancel subs..oh welL..
and then EA will have to see if the remaining players bring enough money on the table to keep the servers up.
When they report their quarterly performance to upper management they will blame any drop in player count on competition from other games or fluctuations in solar wind patterns. Therefore, don't expect their higher ups to have a clue much less drop the hammer.

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Jeweledleah
02.15.2013 , 03:13 PM | #573
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthTHC View Post
The thing that you're failing to realize is that people complain when they want to keep paying for a service that has changed to become not worth paying for any longer.

These are GOOD people to have around.

They do much more good for the game than people who argue in the developers' favor regardless the impact of the issue and those who simply and silently quit playing.

Before Tuesday, no player ever said, "The repair costs are too damn low!". Think about that.
people who complain because they want to keep playing might be good to have around (though IMO, that depends on how constructive their complaints are)

but what good are the people who complain all the while saying - nothing you do will keep me paying, I'm done with you all. why would you listen to people like that why would you take any of their concerns seriously? after all nothing you do will sway them, so why even bother?

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TheShootist
02.15.2013 , 03:13 PM | #574
Quote: Originally Posted by Stenrik View Post
I haven't been raiding lately so this doesn't affect me personally, but the first thing that came into my mind about this issue is that it benefits the cartel market.
If there are too many credits floating around the game, many players are more likely to just spend in-game currency on cartel legacy unlocks and gear. Soaking up some of that cash with extra repairs makes people turn to the real world to purchase things.

My 2.
Actually your right, I stopped buying the cartel packs with CC and use my extra credits, now if I'm spending too much on repairs doing raids, this prevents me from getting those packs that other people spent real cash to aquire. That means the less people buying them will eventually drive prices much lower eventually killing the market all together and EA/BW loses real income.

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Soxbadger
02.15.2013 , 03:13 PM | #575
This is a really interesting discussion. I dont really have a horse in the race because Im a new player (Im subbing but Ive only playead 3 weeks and am at level 31) and when I wipe it seems extremely forgiving as compared to the other MMO I used to play (original Everquest).

If my only penalty for trying to do crazy nonsense is I have to pay some credits, Im probably never going to complain. Its a hell of a lot better than having to run back to your body to get it, then sitting in a zone for an hour offering 100 pp for any cleric with a water sprinkler to rez you because otherwise you are losing exp, which you spent hours grinding for.

Either way, when you quit from a game its generally over a larger frustration than just an increase in credits. My guess is that there is an overall frustration and this is just something that is pushing people over the ledge. In my opinion the worst part about this is that they did it right before a major upgrade. I had some optimism that new content, etc would maybe revive this place because I honestly enjoy the storyline and its a pretty fun game to play.

Anyways, I just hope that EA/BW keep the player base in the loop because it would suck to have massive quitting right before an expansion.

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Hyfy
02.15.2013 , 03:16 PM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by translucentwolf View Post
Sometimes you'd be right
Exactly, pick an argument that can be right. But I was referring to while it was snowing.
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Projawa
02.15.2013 , 03:16 PM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitblade View Post
You preaching to the choir my man!
I used to be a lot more active on the forums , but i had a serious flaw in me it seems...I had an opinion that EAware didn't like. Hell in the last 2 months more then 70% of the posts i made vanished in a few Mod-Click thread delete.

And just why is it that when those criticism threads get deleted you see a new thread the next day but now it's filled with positive feedback...

for the repair cost i haven't been hit quite as hard as others, but most of my toons are in cheap Orange gear with good lvl mods but the best I have is Columi with BlackHole mods and on my Columi toon i'd say about 60% increase (used to be ~1.5k for a round of Dailies now is more like 2.5k)
But i know others that got more then doubled like my Jedi Tank friend
Same, one of my posts from yesterday on this topic was deleted. I guess I made too many salient points.

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DarthTHC
02.15.2013 , 03:17 PM | #578
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
people who complain because they want to keep playing might be good to have around (though IMO, that depends on how constructive their complaints are)

but what good are the people who complain all the while saying - nothing you do will keep me paying, I'm done with you all. why would you listen to people like that why would you take any of their concerns seriously? after all nothing you do will sway them, so why even bother?
Because many of them are being petulant and would really come back if they fix it quickly enough.

They're still better to have than the rabid, rationality-free defenders and silent quitters. Nothing of value ever comes from those camps.

The complainers, and only the complainers, tell you how to improve.

For all the defense this change is getting now, please do remember that exactly zero players said "The repair costs are too damn low!" between 1.2 and 1.7. Zero.

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Zenephis
02.15.2013 , 03:18 PM | #579
44k repair bill from my ops last night. Full 63 DG/Hazmat from just a few deaths. I was at 3/4 durability. If we go to work on Nightmare Kephess like we planned that could be 200k repair for one hour or so of ops. To me, the grinding of dailies is not worth this. I play the game to run ops, not grind dailies to tears, there are a million other games I would rather play than do this.

I'm not poor, I spent a lot of time doing dailies for ops, but now it's mandatory to do them to run those same ops?

There has been a few games that had high repair bugs and it's always ended badly. Why "fix" this bug a year after release? That was shortsighted.

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Kiniski
02.15.2013 , 03:19 PM | #580
Now I understand why they close the other thread

http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...596970&page=43

Here is full of the fanboi jack.a.s.s. attitude to ignore the fact, if we, subscribers, leave, they going to play Hello Kitty online, because if no money, no swtor, easy enough to understand, if they do not low the repair prices, we leave and unsubscribe, 15$ at month for frustrating lag and unplayable prices, I don't pay for anything I don't enjoy, I enjoy it enough before repair prices raise to pay, now I don't, easy to understand.