Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
A Summary of Increased Repair Cost Problems (for BW/EA)
First BioWare Post First BioWare Post

Drake_Hound's Avatar


Drake_Hound
02.19.2013 , 05:09 AM | #1061
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
You do not know what a grind is my friend. EQ was a grind. FFXI is a grind. You have no idea how much easier SWTOR is in comparison. Tell you what, level to 75 in FFXI and then tell me SWTOR is a grind m'kay?

GO play that then go back to MMO with 20k people stop turning modern day consumer market into small fish fries .
Yeah you understand big amount of money invested is not for you to play small time MMO .

Be uptodate adapt to the casual market or see this game dissapear in 2 years time !
That is the enterprise way .

Any more EQ comparison the other way please !

CrazyOldMystic's Avatar


CrazyOldMystic
02.19.2013 , 05:18 AM | #1062
I would just like to say two things kill me cost wise. Repairs, and moving my mods around. Custom gear was one of the BEST things swtor ever did. Lets me get a cool look I want. The cost of moving 58 or above mods around, that are purple, is insane. I recently leveled a second trooper to 50, and all the reasons why I hate leveling alts in this game came right back. At end game too many missions are filled with elites and pair up multiple strong npcs right next to each other. The result is allot of deaths. The result after that is enormous cost via repairs. Example the Illum quests crystal ball. Has you going into caves, that SHOULD be marked heroics. The first cave every strong npc spawns a add npc. I thought that was for bosses only lol. Result Didn't see it coming resulted in deaths. Then I got to the middle of the cave 2 strongs side by side with one regular npc, and a strong that spawns another npc. I just decided to run through it get the objective and get out at that point. It was not worth the frustration. Second cave I went into filled with elites, had to do the same thing again. Result lots of incaps. Repair cost 13k. This was not even a flash point or a ops. I do not want to imagine what the cost would be with 61 mods.

Jeweledleah's Avatar


Jeweledleah
02.19.2013 , 05:22 AM | #1063
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
You do not know what a grind is my friend. EQ was a grind. FFXI is a grind. You have no idea how much easier SWTOR is in comparison. Tell you what, level to 75 in FFXI and then tell me SWTOR is a grind m'kay?
SWTOR might be easier in comparison to other games, but it doesn't mean that grinding dailies is suddenly not a grind anymore. the whole attractiveness of SWTOR was in it not being grindy.. so we're making it more grindy... why exactly?

cooking example. i can make fluffy smooth cupcake frosting from scratch, by beating it with a fork. i used to do it that way, prior to getting a standup mixer. it took much longer and my wrist would be killing me by the time I was done, but frosting was delicious and it really was my only option if I wanted the taste. but as soon as I could - I got a standup mixer and now I just throw all ingredients into a bowl, press on button and walk away while it does the work for me. same taste, less effort. I still need to know which ingredients to use in what proportion, all it did was remove the manual labor.

suddenly I'm told I can no longer just dump ingredients into a bowl, I was having it too easy or something. I have to mix them with a little cheap handheld mixer instead, that is not nearly as powerful and that I cannot just turn on and do something else while it works, because I have to hold it in my hands, hold the bowl and swirl it around to make sure I get everything stirred properly. I mean sure - its still easier and faster then mixing frosting with a fork. but its also STILL unnecessary effort that has no point. it doesn't make the frosting taste any better. all it does is waste extra time I could have used to slice some fruit etc. not as much as doing it with a fork, but certainly more then letting the mixer work for me.

just because something else was even worse, doesn't make current situation somehow good. all it does is show that yeah, could be worse. but its still NOT good or fun.

AshlaBoga's Avatar


AshlaBoga
02.19.2013 , 05:25 AM | #1064
Quote: Originally Posted by Drake_Hound View Post
GO play that then go back to MMO with 20k people stop turning modern day consumer market into small fish fries .
Yeah you understand big amount of money invested is not for you to play small time MMO .

Be up to date, adapt to the casual market or see this game disappear in 2 years time !
That is the enterprise way .

Any more EQ comparison the other way please !(Okay, you'll have to clarify that sentence)
EQ and EQ2 actually have about 200k players combined, so I don't know where you pulled that number from.

I take issue with you calling SWTOR "grind city' because compared to many of it's competitors it's relatively grind free. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you've never played UO, EQ, EQ2, Linage, Lineage 2.

Heck even GW2 has a grind (farming Explorable's for vanity gear tokens).

You're looking at the issue the wrong way.

It's not a grind, it's a penalty (I do not support the penalty).

Now I will argue that SWTOR isn't grindy until the cows come home because aside from Valour 100 or Legacy 50 I can't think of anything I would call a "grind."

Grind city? If you're F2P then yes, if you're subbed heck no.
Typhojem Legacy, Jung Ma server
VICIOUS
Lord of Corruption

danielearley's Avatar


danielearley
02.19.2013 , 05:29 AM | #1065
Quote: Originally Posted by Drake_Hound View Post
Good then you can que up all day as tank and play with the new people, and teach them the instance !
Bet after a week you are dead broke !

Wait or is this garbage crap coming from somebody ego , who says it is ok higher repair cost but alt F4 when things go bad .

Sorry totally irrelevant , the game suppose to be fun , not grind city for mental people .
Who do not see what is beter for the community , but only think what is beter for them !
The game is Fun, I fail to see the difference between running the same OP everyday to Running a few Heroics everyday, if you are so OP maybe if you helped a few of your gaming friends in these Heroics you might have a some Creds and you never know you might enjoy the experience.

I personally don't believe things should be easy, without a penalty there is no risk, so no incentive to learn tactics understand team work. It just turns into I hope we get it right this time I'm bored of running backwards and forwards.

I often do pug groups and will patiently explain Boss Mechanics to others and endure the wipes that happen, I never have many Creds I think my Healer has 300k at present. When I run out of creds I'll go find a some people to do some Heroics on the dailes, once in a group it doesn't take much to convince the group to run through all the other Heroic Dailies. I find this content fun, it's different from the OPs which are more intense agreed, but they are still fun, I don't consider this a grind!

I think this is more of a mindset issue, if you think anything other than a raid is a grind then you will hate any obstacle to doing a raid, if you play to have fun and enjoy yourself, then you will not care about a little extra incentive to avoid death.

Yes, I'm a huge Star Wars Fan, I love running around swinging a light saber, paying for dying is not going to stop me doing this

Drake_Hound's Avatar


Drake_Hound
02.19.2013 , 05:35 AM | #1066
Quote: Originally Posted by AshlaBoga View Post
EQ and EQ2 actually have about 200k players combined, so I don't know where you pulled that number from.

I take issue with you calling SWTOR "grind city' because compared to many of it's competitors it's relatively grind free. I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you've never played UO, EQ, EQ2, Linage, Lineage 2.

Heck even GW2 has a grind (farming Explorable's for vanity gear tokens).

You're looking at the issue the wrong way.

It's not a grind, it's a penalty.

Now I will argue that SWTOR isn't grindy until the cows come home because aside from Valour 100 or Legacy 50 I can't think of anything I would call a "grind."

Grind city? If you're F2P then yes, if you're subbed heck no.
Then you go unsub and grind and pay the expensive repair cost , solution solved !

I will stay subbed and pay the cheaper cost ! M' Okay , 200k people are there still 200k people playing?
Maybe if you care to be uptodate , maybe if you really want to play those grind go back then and play it .

Gee it is always those people I want this I want that of old times , well sorry time has changed and there is no turning back the clock, accept it or see the game become a ghost town again.

With EA it is simple not enough profit made to validate the cost , bye bye SWTOR !
This repair cost will not do , and stop derailing the topic with other games that are not that successfull !

Lets compare with WoW shall we or Rift , I don't care about GW2 cause it Is all hype and no fun !

Mungry's Avatar


Mungry
02.19.2013 , 05:40 AM | #1067
I thought that it would be useful to check the repair costs for 'normal' play.
I'm level 30 Sniper on Tat.
I repair to zero my costs.
I go out and fight 11 mobs 2 levels below me, neither myself nor my companion die. INo Elites involved).
I repair again - the cost 1,720 creds; more than I earned from the kills.
I know - that's not a lot of money but, surely, given the circumstances that's disproportionate.
SOW plz

Drake_Hound's Avatar


Drake_Hound
02.19.2013 , 05:43 AM | #1068
Quote: Originally Posted by danielearley View Post
The game is Fun, I fail to see the difference between running the same OP everyday to Running a few Heroics everyday, if you are so OP maybe if you helped a few of your gaming friends in these Heroics you might have a some Creds and you never know you might enjoy the experience.

I personally don't believe things should be easy, without a penalty there is no risk, so no incentive to learn tactics understand team work. It just turns into I hope we get it right this time I'm bored of running backwards and forwards.

I often do pug groups and will patiently explain Boss Mechanics to others and endure the wipes that happen, I never have many Creds I think my Healer has 300k at present. When I run out of creds I'll go find a some people to do some Heroics on the dailes, once in a group it doesn't take much to convince the group to run through all the other Heroic Dailies. I find this content fun, it's different from the OPs which are more intense agreed, but they are still fun, I don't consider this a grind!

I think this is more of a mindset issue, if you think anything other than a raid is a grind then you will hate any obstacle to doing a raid, if you play to have fun and enjoy yourself, then you will not care about a little extra incentive to avoid death.

Yes, I'm a huge Star Wars Fan, I love running around swinging a light saber, paying for dying is not going to stop me doing this
Good mindset and fun and teaching others the ropes of a game should be punished ?
With higher repair cost ? Are you machoist ?

Yeah right I play mmo to interact with others , not to grind away on boring dailies ... Once Gree etc stuff polish runs out ... It is the same old story again .
Since modernday consumer eats up content faster then developers can deliver ..

What good is a mmo when there are less people around to do your stuff with ?
Wait EA run policy under 500k sub , we are thinking of shutting down !

So all you say is behelpfull get punished by higher repair cost , be selfishe play the GTN without interaction !
hurray get rewarded with fast cash , no way people are running 3 hour instance .

Now if you love star wars , then you want more people playing not less .
Repair cost and daily grind get people bored the fastest way off a mmo .

AshlaBoga's Avatar


AshlaBoga
02.19.2013 , 05:44 AM | #1069
Quote: Originally Posted by Drake_Hound View Post
I don't care about GW2 cause it Is all hype and no fun !
Finally we agree on something.
Typhojem Legacy, Jung Ma server
VICIOUS
Lord of Corruption

Ooloi's Avatar


Ooloi
02.19.2013 , 05:56 AM | #1070
Drowning in repair costs doesn't make the game challenging. Or fun.

Equation: when people have extra credits they're willing to spend more on the GTN, particularly more for those little cartel items you sell people. When people spend more for Cartel bait on the GTN, then more people buy Cartel Items and put them up for sale on the Cartel Market.

?????
Profit!