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Spliffy-TreesOG
02.09.2013 , 07:05 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by PeteyLo View Post
Because that is so different than sap seething lol
explain to me how it isn't different? if you use your cc break on a dirty kick then get flash banged and watch them heal that's your fault. they're playing smart rather than cheap. Sorry if that's the only way you can win is having an unfair advantage on others bro

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PeteyLo
02.09.2013 , 07:11 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Spliffy-TreesOG View Post
explain to me how it isn't different? if you use your cc break on a dirty kick then get flash banged and watch them heal that's your fault. they're playing smart rather than cheap. Sorry if that's the only way you can win is having an unfair advantage on others bro
So if I electrocute you and you cc break than I sap seethe than its their fault. It's the same thing you just proved my point for me.
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Spliffy-TreesOG
02.09.2013 , 07:57 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by PeteyLo View Post
So if I electrocute you and you cc break than I sap seethe than its their fault. It's the same thing you just proved my point for me.
You have a point I won't deny that, but myself and chukles didn't want these duels to be catered towards stealthies and sap seething players (you have to see how it's an unfair move and frowned upon to pull something like that.)

The shadow lands is attempting their own version of 1v1's and they're allowing sap seething, but will grant a bonus to the farthest progressing non stealthy as they know that the sap seething players will always have an advantage over the rest. Would everyone feel like that would be acceptable or how would people want to address this? Here's the link if you'd like to check it out: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=593190

Chukles and I wanted to see duels as balanced and even as possible and we wouldn't want non stealthies feeling like they're being gimped because they can't sap out of combat heal.

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Asunasan
02.09.2013 , 08:39 PM | #14
I'm with insanus on this one. Rules went from odd but tolerable to non nonsensical . Now some consumables are useable and others aren't? Vanish, Saping, healing once, sab charging, Orbital striking, Vital Shooting, and then Backblast into stun is a pretty common mid fight reopen, but even though my class is balanced to be able to do that in a 1v1 at the off node I'm not allowed to do it in this duel tourney?

While BW's balance may be terrible I really don't think there is enough "community consensus" on the sap stealth heal to overrule BWs decision that stealth classes should have 1 extra CC. Can we make up a rule like Mara/sents can't use 1 of their Defensive CDs while we're at it? I think they have too many of them for a 1v1, and they were only given that many because they need to survive on the front lines in big 8v8 fights.


PS: splify I specifically asked if I could sap and then CAST heals on myself (as in UWM while they are sapped). When you reasoned you once again said it would be unfair to sap and recuperate. I think that is a silly rule, but you didn't answer my question. As for the it isn't fair towards everyone that can't stealth, our stealth classes are balanced abound having... stealth.

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Fracta
02.09.2013 , 10:43 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Asunasan View Post
I'm with insanus on this one. Rules went from odd but tolerable to non nonsensical . Now some consumables are useable and others aren't? Vanish, Saping, healing once, sab charging, Orbital striking, Vital Shooting, and then Backblast into stun is a pretty common mid fight reopen, but even though my class is balanced to be able to do that in a 1v1 at the off node I'm not allowed to do it in this duel tourney?

While BW's balance may be terrible I really don't think there is enough "community consensus" on the sap stealth heal to overrule BWs decision that stealth classes should have 1 extra CC. Can we make up a rule like Mara/sents can't use 1 of their Defensive CDs while we're at it? I think they have too many of them for a 1v1, and they were only given that many because they need to survive on the front lines in big 8v8 fights.


PS: splify I specifically asked if I could sap and then CAST heals on myself (as in UWM while they are sapped). When you reasoned you once again said it would be unfair to sap and recuperate. I think that is a silly rule, but you didn't answer my question. As for the it isn't fair towards everyone that can't stealth, our stealth classes are balanced abound having... stealth.
out of combat healing is just complete ********. You are pretty much saying that as a non stealth class i'm not allowed to use my CC breaker ever or I instantly lose the duel.
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Asunasan
02.09.2013 , 11:08 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Fracta View Post
out of combat healing is just complete ********. You are pretty much saying that as a non stealth class i'm not allowed to use my CC breaker ever or I instantly lose the duel.
No, I'm saying lets not arbitrarily take away options from some classes while leaving others with their full set of abilities. Players should use their CC breaker differently depending on who they are playing against. For example, against a focus sent you CC break force stasis (his closest thing to a stun) because you don't want them gaining stacks, and you don't care if he mezes you with awe, he can't heal himself durring it. On the other hand against a commando you don't want to CC break their stun, because then they can mez you for 8 seconds and heal. Shadows and operatives were given an extra CC, so you have to adjust accordingly, just like you adjust your CC breaker use in other match ups. Against a steather, you CC break after they have already used vanish, when you think you can kill them before any dots they have on you expire, or when you are white barred and think you can kill them before your resolve empties.

There is a reason the tournament that this was apparently based on allowed mez/recouperate. If you ban one classes ability you start down the slippery slope and there is no reason to not also ban CC immunity, bubbles stuns, mata defensive CDs, Vanish in general ect ect. He didn't even struggle with the idea, he just immediately said every ability a class has that only requires 1 person is on the table and never wavered on the topic.

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Therangerboy
02.09.2013 , 11:41 PM | #17
I could be completely wrong on this so please help me understand. The way I understand force cloak its a way to escape combat. So if you are fighting someone and you exit combat in a duel wouldn't you lose? If this doesn't sound right please correct me.
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PeteyLo
02.10.2013 , 12:33 AM | #18
Count insanus in.
I hope to meet you there Spliffy.
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PeteyLo
02.10.2013 , 01:02 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Spliffy-TreesOG View Post
explain to me how it isn't different? if you use your cc break on a dirty kick then get flash banged and watch them heal that's your fault. they're playing smart rather than cheap. Sorry if that's the only way you can win is having an unfair advantage on others bro
Stop being such a casual, bro.
"One Insanus to rule them all, one Insanus to find them, one Insanus to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
F*** the free world. Long Live Bantle! Don't forget Smoochie, and have you seen Indianguy?

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PeteyLo
02.10.2013 , 01:27 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Fracta View Post
out of combat healing is just complete ********. You are pretty much saying that as a non stealth class i'm not allowed to use my CC breaker ever or I instantly lose the duel.
Don't be a baddie, and start lifting bro.
"One Insanus to rule them all, one Insanus to find them, one Insanus to bring them all and in the darkness bind them."
F*** the free world. Long Live Bantle! Don't forget Smoochie, and have you seen Indianguy?