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Kaggath Tournament - Revan vs Xizor

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Kaggath Tournament - Revan vs Xizor

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Beniboybling
02.03.2013 , 04:58 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
That's what I have for now. The Derriphans were one of the Star Forge's main naval products along with the Sith interceptors. The majority of the remaining naval forces came from stolen Republic vessels like the Interdictor and the Centurion.
That's what I mean. Based on this Revan could have between 3 and 300. 'More' is a very vague term.

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Aurbere
02.03.2013 , 05:45 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
That's what I mean. Based on this Revan could have between 3 and 300. 'More' is a very vague term.
That's a good point. I'm trying to find more info on the number of ships produced by the Star Forge, but it should be noted that the Derriphans were enough to get Revan started.

Not that the number of Derriphans really matters as they are just cannon fodder. Really, a very small portion of Xizor's fleet (the one seen at Coruscant) could handle any number of Derriphans.
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Maaruin
02.03.2013 , 05:51 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
True, I might go back and do that to satifisy some of our disgruntled competitors . But I guess I basically did that in my head.
I just skimmed over the arguments and did a quick attempt to count points. (Which might not hold much water.) I ended up with

Xizor: 26
Kun: 26
Traya: 22

This battle seems so close that we could also simply flip a three-sided coin to decide it (This way of thinking makes it easier for me to accept the outcome.)
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Wolfninjajedi
02.03.2013 , 09:15 PM | #24
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■Interdictor-class Cruisers such as the Leviathan were among the finest Republic vessels of the time period.
■Centurion-class battlecruisers exemplified by the Ravager.
■Derriphan-class battleships
■Sith interceptors were a hybrid of Republic and Rakatan technologies mass produced by the Star Forge.
■KT-400 military droid carriers
■Herald-class shuttles
This is Revan's Navy?....Wow....ya his navy is kinda...well anyway lets go through each of em.
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Centurion-Class battlecruisers

6 medium turbolasers

6 heavy ion cannons

6 light point defense laser cannons

Proton Torpedo launchers(lets just say 2)
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This ship realistically, is the only ship that could last and even then thats a stretch.
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Interdictor-class cruiser

6 medium turbolasers

6 point defense laser batteries
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Derriphan battleships...ya we already went through these, POS.
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Sith Fighters

Max Speed(atmosphere)= 1,250 km/h

Hull= Minimum Integrity

Armament: 2 laser cannons
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Ok now lets look at what Xizor can bring to the table.
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Venator class Star Destroyer

Armament: 8 heavy dual DBY-827 tubolaser cannons, 2 medium dual turbolaser cannons, an unknown number of turbolasers(could be a modification in which Xizor would more then likely do.) 52 point defense laser cannons, 4 heavy proton torpedo tubes, 14 torpedos each.
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Alpha-3 Nimbus-class starfighter

Max acceleration: 4,000 G

Max speed(atmosphere): 1,050 to 52,000 km/h(with deflector shields on)

Armament: 2 twin laser cannons, some were also equipped with flak guns and proton bombs.
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Ya....Revan is seriously outclassed fleet wise here, was also gonna throw in the Mon Calamari ships and whatever else Xizor has but...nah.
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Aurbere
02.03.2013 , 09:27 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
This is Revan's Navy?....Wow....ya his navy is kinda...well anyway lets go through each of em.
=======

Centurion-Class battlecruisers

6 medium turbolasers

6 heavy ion cannons

6 light point defense laser cannons

Proton Torpedo launchers(lets just say 2)
======

This ship realistically, is the only ship that could last and even then thats a stretch.
==

Interdictor-class cruiser

6 medium turbolasers

6 point defense laser batteries
======

Derriphan battleships...ya we already went through these, POS.
======

Sith Fighters

Max Speed(atmosphere)= 1,250 km/h

Hull= Minimum Integrity

Armament: 2 laser cannons
======

Ok now lets look at what Xizor can bring to the table.
=====

Venator class Star Destroyer

Armament: 8 heavy dual DVY-827 tubolaser cannons, 2 medium dual turbolaser cannons, an unknown number of turbolasers(could be a modification in which Xizor would more then likely do.) 52 point defense laser cannons, 4 heavy proton torpedo tubes, 14 torpedos each.
===

Alpha-3 Nimbus-class starfighter

Max acceleration: 4,000 G

Max speed(atmosphere): 1,050 to 52,000 km/h(with deflector shields on)

Armament: 2 twin laser cannons, some were also equipped with flak guns and proton bombs.
===

Ya....Revan is seriously outclassed fleet wise here, was also gonna throw in the Mon Calamari ships and whatever else Xizor has but...nah.
Now you know why I voted Grievous.

Seriously, Revan's navy is clearly outclassed. His capital ships are outclassed by any equivalent ships Xizor can bring in.
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Beniboybling
02.04.2013 , 08:37 AM | #26
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IMPORTANT ANNOUCEMENT: THIS DEBATE IS CLOSED

Victor: Darth Traya

Second Place: Prince Xizor

Prince Xizor: 39

Darth Traya: 49

Exar Kun: 28

May I turn your attention to Bonus Round: Darth Revan vs Prince Xizor which will determine who takes 3rd place.

Thanks for debating! That is all.
Here are the results, as you can see the reason I could call it without attempting a tally was because it wasn't actually that close. If you're still confused I'd ask you to look over the thread again, you'll find that few attempts were successfully made to counter arguments against Traya, and I did raise the question on multiple occasions of what would happen between Traya and Xizor, specifically if Xizor believed Traya to be dead. No arguments were forthcoming. Admittedly I should have raised it again, that was a mistake on my part (there goes my streak of happy Kaggath endings. )

Concerning the debate, yes Revan is outclassed (although not by that much considering Interdictors were compared to Victory-class Star Destroyers and the Centurion was one of the most powerful vessels of its time) but he is not outnumbered. Unlike Xizor, he can has a vast fleet ready and waiting, while Xizor has to procure one.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.04.2013 , 09:45 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Here are the results, as you can see the reason I could call it without attempting a tally was because it wasn't actually that close. If you're still confused I'd ask you to look over the thread again, you'll find that few attempts were successfully made to counter arguments against Traya, and I did raise the question on multiple occasions of what would happen between Traya and Xizor, specifically if Xizor believed Traya to be dead. No arguments were forthcoming. Admittedly I should have raised it again, that was a mistake on my part (there goes my streak of happy Kaggath endings. )

Concerning the debate, yes Revan is outclassed (although not by that much considering Interdictors were compared to Victory-class Star Destroyers and the Centurion was one of the most powerful vessels of its time) but he is not outnumbered. Unlike Xizor, he can has a vast fleet ready and waiting, while Xizor has to procure one.
I still doubt that bit, looking at the specs the Interdictors doesn't look anywhere near comparable to a Victory-Class Star Destroyer. Though Xizor could just use MC80 Liberty Type Star Cruisers to counter, their shielding makes them able to survive against heavy enemy combat ships. Right the Centurion was one of the most powerful vessels of its time....of its time being the keywords here, compared to what Xizor has it really just seems to be light an escort ship now.

Xizor still has a fleet waiting, he has one at Courscant.
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-Star-Scream-
02.04.2013 , 11:06 AM | #28
I'm sorry but if what Aurbere is saying is correct (which i have no doubt as he is very good at lore and such) then he should have noticed one of the terms of the Kaggath.
"Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power."
So from Aurbere's argument we can see that some of Revans fleet are archaic (Being around since Naga Sadow's time) and so their inferior tech does not matter. All that matters is the fact Revan has them at his disposal. Just wanted to clarify that. Not that anyone really cares but for me i go with Revan. (Not a fanboy!)

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Wolfninjajedi
02.04.2013 , 11:13 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by -Star-Scream- View Post
I'm sorry but if what Aurbere is saying is correct (which i have no doubt as he is very good at lore and such) then he should have noticed one of the terms of the Kaggath.
"Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power."
So from Aurbere's argument we can see that some of Revans fleet are archaic (Being around since Naga Sadow's time) and so their inferior tech does not matter. All that matters is the fact Revan has them at his disposal. Just wanted to clarify that. Not that anyone really cares but for me i go with Revan. (Not a fanboy!)
Your right, however...that doesn't change the armament, it doesn't change their hyperdrives or their speed. Which Xizor's ships still outclass Revan's ships. Even equalized those Derriphan ships are still piss poor, cause their autoblasters are not accurate.
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Maaruin
02.04.2013 , 11:15 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Your right, however...that doesn't change the armament, it doesn't change their hyperdrives or their speed. Which Xizor's ships still outclass Revan's ships.
I guess speed and hyperdrive is also considered universal.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
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