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Kaggath Tournament - Revan vs Xizor

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Kaggath Tournament - Revan vs Xizor

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Segastorm
02.09.2013 , 10:40 PM | #91
Lol , I'm just trying to make sure rules aren't broken, but yes, Revan has his work cut out for him, which may end up cutting him in the end.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.09.2013 , 10:42 PM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
At the point where the main argument is "But their tech is at the same level!" you know there's a problem for Revan.
Even with tech equal, Xizor still beats Revan's fleet in terms of numbers, size and power. A heavy turbolaser, isn't gonna put out the same amount of power as a medium turbolaser I can tell you that much and those Venator's have 8 of them dual ones even which given the settings can go from small strikes to vaporizing blows.

At its highest power, the dual turbolasers punch right through shields and incinerate their target.
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GarfieldJL
02.09.2013 , 11:06 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Their stuff is equalized yes, but all that matters is the number, size and power. They don't have the exact same technology, given one is a force user and the other one is leader of the Underworld, they can just use what they have, or at least that is what I got from the rules.
Didn't the mandalorians use a lot of the same tactics that pirates use...

Revan's forces would be able to take on space pirates. In the situation of a straight up military engagement, Revan has the edge, battles are not exactly Xizor's fortay.

So let's be honest here, if Xizor did challenge Revan to a straight up capital ship showdown, odds are Revan would win the engagement.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.09.2013 , 11:21 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Didn't the mandalorians use a lot of the same tactics that pirates use...

Revan's forces would be able to take on space pirates. In the situation of a straight up military engagement, Revan has the edge, battles are not exactly Xizor's fortay.

So let's be honest here, if Xizor did challenge Revan to a straight up capital ship showdown, odds are Revan would win the engagement.
Really? You sure about that? Ok lets bring in a captial ship from each side and compare them shall we?
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Centurion Class Battlecruiser

Armament: 6 Medium Turbolasers, 6 Heavy Ion Cannon Batteries,, 6 light point defense laser cannons, Proton Torpedo Launchers
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Venator Class Star Destroyer

Armament: 8 DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolasers, 2 Medium Dual Turbolasers, an unknown number of turbolasers(possible modification which Xizor isn't stupid enough to not use, this actual gives a great advantage meaning he can outfit the Destroyer with various types of cannons), 52 laser point defense cannons, 4 Heavy Proton Torpedo launchers(16 torpedos each)
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Now...your really gonna tell me, that captial ship to capital ship, a Centurion is gonna beat a Venator? The amount of firepower, the Venator could put out is far greater then that of a Centurion.

The power a Venator SD puts out is 3.6 X 10^24th power. So that is....

36,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts of power. (Jeez that is a long number, anyone here able to say how big is that? I know its more then a billion.)
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Warren-Stride
02.10.2013 , 12:30 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
36,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts of power. (Jeez that is a long number, anyone here able to say how big is that? I know its more then a billion.)
36 Octillion.

It's annoying that all the good arguments for Xizor come out in this round... we could have used all these points in the tri-battle!
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Wolfninjajedi
02.10.2013 , 12:32 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
36 Octillion.

It's annoying that all the good arguments for Xizor come out in this round... we could have used all these points in the tri-battle!
Ya...and assuming that the Centurion uses a regular fusion reactor, that is only how much power? Noting, the Venator doesn't use a fusion reactor, it uses a hypermatter reactor hence why its able to produce much more power.
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Beniboybling
02.10.2013 , 09:28 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Really? You sure about that? Ok lets bring in a captial ship from each side and compare them shall we?
Well, thats assuming such a confrontation would actually happen. Which is highly unlikely. For one Revan would have Interdictors and possibly more Centurions backing up any capital ship that Xizor might ambush, and secondly Xizor has nothing to gain from trashing Revan's fleets unless Revan is on one. And lets say he is, seeing as Revan possessed tactical skill and naval experience while Xizor's lackeys do not, he has a better chance of overcoming any disadvantages. And then we have to consider who's going to be manning this Venators. Pirates. Not Clone Troopers honed and trained, but pirates who probably don't really know what there doing. Cannons are all well and good, but not if you don't know how to load them or fire them properly. And then we have to consider how easily they will be to infiltrate via say assassins, or simply Sith troopers.

What is worth discussing however is whether some pirate ships can effectively take out Revan's fleets, or just stall them. And whether Xizor would have enough time to set well planned traps involving larger cruisers to make the attacks more effective. However I think Xizor will divert any fleets he can muster to attacking Revan's shipyards and other key structures to keep the Darth busy. Then waylay incoming fleets with pirate ships (all the while Coruscant being a decoy) while he deploys assassins, informants etc. to track down and destroy Revan.

^^This is what needs to be considered. How is Revan going to counter that?

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Wolfninjajedi
02.10.2013 , 09:39 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Well, thats assuming such a confrontation would actually happen. Which is highly unlikely. For one Revan would have Interdictors and possibly more Centurions backing up any capital ship that Xizor might ambush, and secondly Xizor has nothing to gain from trashing Revan's fleets unless Revan is on one. And lets say he is, seeing as Revan possessed tactical skill and naval experience while Xizor's lackeys do not, he has a better chance of overcoming any disadvantages. And then we have to consider who's going to be manning this Venators. Pirates. Not Clone Troopers honed and trained, but pirates who probably don't really know what there doing. Cannons are all well and good, but not if you don't know how to load them or fire them properly. And then we have to consider how easily they will be to infiltrate via say assassins, or simply Sith troopers.

What is worth discussing however is whether some pirate ships can effectively take out Revan's fleets, or just stall them. And whether Xizor would have enough time to set well planned traps involving larger cruisers to make the attacks more effective. However I think Xizor will divert any fleets he can muster to attacking Revan's shipyards and other key structures to keep the Darth busy. Then waylay incoming fleets with pirate ships (all the while Coruscant being a decoy) while he deploys assassins, informants etc. to track down and destroy Revan.

^^This is what needs to be considered. How is Revan going to counter that?
So your saying that Black Sun pirates are stupid and don't know how to control a ship? I was also just pointing out 1 on 1, that a Centurion would get smashed when Garfield said capital ship to capital ship(meaning 1 on 1) the Centurion would win.

However per the assassin bit, then Revan is gonna have a hard time in dealing with IG-86 droids who were considered to be some of the deadliest assassin droids in the galaxy. Now Revan may have some experience with HK units, however the IG units are different in design and can think logically and creativity. Anakin noted them as to be deadly and unpredictable and that is coming from the Chosen One, they have exceptional agility and infact one of them almost killed Anakin had it not been for Ahsoka saving him at the last minute.

This was just them with a blaster rifle too, imagine them getting properly geared out.
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GarfieldJL
02.10.2013 , 11:49 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Really? You sure about that? Ok lets bring in a captial ship from each side and compare them shall we?
====

Centurion Class Battlecruiser

Armament: 6 Medium Turbolasers, 6 Heavy Ion Cannon Batteries,, 6 light point defense laser cannons, Proton Torpedo Launchers
====

Venator Class Star Destroyer

Armament: 8 DBY-827 Dual Heavy Turbolasers, 2 Medium Dual Turbolasers, an unknown number of turbolasers(possible modification which Xizor isn't stupid enough to not use, this actual gives a great advantage meaning he can outfit the Destroyer with various types of cannons), 52 laser point defense cannons, 4 Heavy Proton Torpedo launchers(16 torpedos each)
====

Now...your really gonna tell me, that captial ship to capital ship, a Centurion is gonna beat a Venator? The amount of firepower, the Venator could put out is far greater then that of a Centurion.

The power a Venator SD puts out is 3.6 X 10^24th power. So that is....

36,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts of power. (Jeez that is a long number, anyone here able to say how big is that? I know its more then a billion.)
Let's get real here... A super star destroyer doesn't have that kind of power output let alone a Venerator SD...

One thing that really annoys Star Trek fans is SW fans that throw out over-inflated numbers and then run around claiming the Death Star is larger than a Dyson Sphere...

As far as power output, Revan's ships would not have the same power output, but they also wouldn't be undermatched nearly to the degree that you are claiming.

Plus the rules are the tech is comperable, that means Revan's ships would have a similar power output for ships of their size of Xizor's era.

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Wolfninjajedi
02.10.2013 , 12:19 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
Let's get real here... A super star destroyer doesn't have that kind of power output let alone a Venerator SD...

One thing that really annoys Star Trek fans is SW fans that throw out over-inflated numbers and then run around claiming the Death Star is larger than a Dyson Sphere...

As far as power output, Revan's ships would not have the same power output, but they also wouldn't be undermatched nearly to the degree that you are claiming.

Plus the rules are the tech is comperable, that means Revan's ships would have a similar power output for ships of their size of Xizor's era.
Really? Your sure that a SSD wouldn't have that kind of power output? Because ISD's produce even GREATER amounts of power then a Venator.

The tech is only comparable in that it would be able to do damage to the other. Lets look at the rule again...

Quote:
Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power.
Size, Quantity and Power, all 3 of which Xizor's ships outclass Revan's.
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