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sanchito
02.01.2013 , 02:01 PM | #101
I don't understand why this is a pug vs premade issue, in my opinion it is very obviously a matchmaking issue. The game should strive to make the matches as balanced as possible. Yes it won't be perfect, if the imps have only 8 people from the top pvp guild queueing and teh reps have only 8 dudes who just dinged 50 on there first char in the queue then there will be a terribly unbalanced match, nothing anyone can do about it.

What the game should do though is try to have as few of those games as possible, and imo it would be really easy to improve on the current situation.

Yesterday i played around 20 games in a good 4man premade, and i knew there were at least 2 more rep and 2 imp premades running. We got 1 match each against the imps (which were awesome!) and 18 games vs pugs, one of them vs < 15k HP average, where our 4man got paired with another rep pvp guild 4man. They even stepped out of the way in our voidstar offense and i figure they were right, why waste anyones time, there was absolutely nothing they could have done to us.

Here's what league of legends recently introduced;

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/....php?t=3016615

Basically (among other things) they match by games won, on a diminishing returns curve (so, 20 wins is a lot more than 5, 3000 wins is not that different from 2000). They gave the matchmaker an extra 30 seconds for this

I am absolutely convinced that
a) this would make the games better
b) most people wouldn't mind waiting an extra minute
c) it can't be that complicated to implement

and this is just one small idea. If we could get away from the stupid premade vs pug discussion and instead start a how to match properly discussion we might come up with some better ideas, who knows...

edit: the matches against "pugs" may very well have been against bad premades, who knows. point is that there were 5 pvp guilds running premades at the same time and we only got matched against one of them for 2 games out of 20

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cashogy_reborn
02.01.2013 , 02:20 PM | #102
i would absolutely love matchmaking. bioware needs to develop an algorithm that looks at individual performance. give players a rating based on that algorithm that only they can see, but use it to determine who they are more likely to face in PvP.

how to make the algorithm is tricky though. you cannot use medals, b/c some classes can just flat out pull more medals (i can pull 15 medals easy on my PT, pulling 12 on my merc used to be rare [that doesnt include game-speed medals]). i think an algorithm that looks at DPS, DPK (damage done per kill), HPS, heals per life, protection per life, damage taken per life, objective score per minute, maybe more. weigh the different attributes based on what each class role is, which should be easy-ish to do. look at each players skill point distribution, and which depending on how many points spent in a tree could increase/decrease the weight of certain factors in the algorithm.

for example, take a 27/1/13 tankassin. w/ more points into the tank tree, stats like protection per life and damage taken per life would carry more weight for determining their rating than DPS or DPK, and HPS and heals per life would be weighted to zero.

likewise (another example) a Merc spec'd 3/7/31 would have greater weight assigned to DPS and DPK, protection would be weighted to zero, heals would be weighted significantly lower but not cut out, etc.

with another algorithm, you could dynamically weight stats based on spec. meaning that spending 27 points in a tanking tree would weight tank-related stats a bit less than if you had spent a full 31 pts in a tanking tree. you want to make a hybrid build? using the aforementioned tankassin, tank stats would be weighted moderately heavy (but less than a full tank) and DPS stats would be weighted average (but less than a full DPS).

if i get really really really bored sometime, maybe i will try to come up with something

ps. you cant do non-rateds based on winning percentage. i mean you could, but then you have the likely situation that your rating is determined by the monkeys on your team, which nobody wants
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UGLYMRJ
02.01.2013 , 02:22 PM | #103
Sadly there's part of me that expects them to create a match making system on valor or expertise or some other broken way of doing it...

It's frustrating seeing the potential of a game that I really think could have been the next big MMO, slowly get demolished by the devs.

I can't describe how annoying it is that I expect them to do something stupid...

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Technohic
02.01.2013 , 02:26 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Sadly there's part of me that expects them to create a match making system on valor or expertise or some other broken way of doing it...

It's frustrating seeing the potential of a game that I really think could have been the next big MMO, slowly get demolished by the devs.

The fact that I expect them to do something stupid bothers me the most....
I have the same fears or doubts. Why I'm kind of hoping they go with a KISS method at first and grow it from there, but I expect them to over complicate it
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sanchito
02.01.2013 , 02:30 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Sadly there's part of me that expects them to create a match making system on valor or expertise or some other broken way of doing it...

It's frustrating seeing the potential of a game that I really think could have been the next big MMO, slowly get demolished by the devs.

I can't describe how annoying it is that I expect them to do something stupid...
on a positive note, it's gonna be really really difficult for them to make it worse than it already is

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UGLYMRJ
02.01.2013 , 02:31 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by sanchito View Post
on a positive note, it's gonna be really really difficult for them to make it worse than it already is
LOL.... not.... really... making me.... feel any better...

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PlagaNerezza
02.01.2013 , 02:32 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Technohic View Post
I have the same fears or doubts. Why I'm kind of hoping they go with a KISS method at first and grow it from there, but I expect them to over complicate it
To fix the warzones Bioware will not let operatives, sorcerers or mercenaries queue for warzones! Sounds just like the resolve fix they installed.
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Sathid
02.01.2013 , 03:00 PM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
Sadly there's part of me that expects them to create a match making system on valor or expertise or some other broken way of doing it...

It's frustrating seeing the potential of a game that I really think could have been the next big MMO, slowly get demolished by the devs.

I can't describe how annoying it is that I expect them to do something stupid...
Oh wow short honeymoon there,what did you go to DQ for a Frosty?

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UGLYMRJ
02.01.2013 , 03:02 PM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
Oh wow short honeymoon there,what did you go to DQ for a Frosty?
Why are you forum stalking me creeper?

You say I'm not that good and then every time I make a post or comment there you are throwing around insults like a fat kid at recess. I must be good enough to get you angry enough to e-stalk me. Mission accomplished.

Honeymoon starts on Feb 22nd... want the address to the resort too, so you can send me hate mail ya weirdo?

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Sathid
02.01.2013 , 03:04 PM | #110
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Why are you forum stalking me creeper?

You say I'm not that good and then every time I make a post or comment there you are throwing around insults like a fat kid at recess. I must be good enough to get you angry enough to e-stalk me. Mission accomplished.

Honeymoon starts on Feb 22nd... want the address to the resort too, so you can send me hate mail ya weirdo?
Lol must be getting under your skin eh?

Edit:Please share where i ever insulted you,looking at your post you are in fact insulting me,hmm.