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A message to the PUG community.

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A message to the PUG community.

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UGLYMRJ
01.31.2013 , 03:37 PM | #1
This only applies to those who complain about pre-mades ruining war zones for them. You fail to look at it from any other perspective other than your own. Here's the breakdown of the double edged sword.... Let's look at who gets shafted more, yet complain less.

Scenario #1: Pre-mades ruin war zones for PUG's on the opposite team by better communication, coordination and often skill. PUG's get wrecked and aren't happy, immediately log onto forums and click "new thread".

Scenario #2: PUG's are so poorly organized that they literally lose the game for the 4 man pre-made. Pre-made loses what should have been an easy win.

Scenario #3: 4 man pre-made and PUG on same team.... pre-made carries PUG team to victory. (They don't mention this in the list of complaints)

Scenario #4: PUG's carry pre-made to victory.... just kidding... that almost never happens...

-The other tidbit of information that often gets left out is that there are pre-mades in nearly every war zone, on both sides. The only difference is most of them are bad and it goes unnoticed. They don't mention that either.

-The PUG's who go idle in war zones to farm coms... don't get mentioned either in these lists of complaints.

-The PUG's who shoot down from the edge of their end zone at the warriors in the pit on huttball... also don't get mentioned.

-The PUG's that go on Rambo missions and do nothing but hurt the team... well... they don't get mentioned either.

-The PUG's that put up 50K in stats during a 15 minute voidstar.... no one mentions him in those threads.... but that's probably because HE IS the guy starting the damn thread.

So before you complain... think about who's really getting the worst of this situation.

My point in this is... the pre-mades (good ones) get screwed more often than you PUG's and WE'RE the ones doing the heavy lifting. It's amazing that so many of you can sit here and complain about pre-mades wrecking your face when 2 games later that same pre-made is getting you an easy win.

Want to solve the problem? Use the tools available... form a guild, form a pre-made and get better.

Disclaimer: I know there are good PUG's out there that understand the game and this post does not apply to you. However, you are the minority. The majority of guilds are awful and the PUG's are even worse on average.

In the end... I only hope that one PUG gets this to sink in and the next time they want to complain about pre-mades, they stop, and think... and realize that it's the ones who are putting forth the extra effort by learning to play the game properly, forming groups and organizing tactics and strategies that are far more affected by PUG's vs pre-mades than you PUG's who hop on twice a week for an hour before bed and spam force lightning while face tanking a marauder.

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cashogy_reborn
01.31.2013 , 03:43 PM | #2
whoa, logic
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criminalheretic
01.31.2013 , 03:45 PM | #3
You're leaving out the part where we all know that forming a premade is a morally suspect endeavor, similar to shaking babies, and thereby the feelings and frustrations of PvP guilds are less relevant than those of "good" people.

Furthermore, any business major knows that the long term success of a game is achieved by catering to the lowest common denominator, and the key to SW:Tor's longevity is making the game the most enjoyable, for the people spend the least amount of time playing the game, with the least amount of skill.
What we don't understand, we can make mean anything.
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sirullrich
01.31.2013 , 03:48 PM | #4
AWWWWW...*****IIIIEEEET Ugly you gonna get a banned for this. You know you can't call pugs out. LOL Your post is exactly what I am saying. There is probably never a time where this no premades on a team. To come to the forums to say that "I am LOSING because of premades" is an excuse!!!!!!
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UGLYMRJ
01.31.2013 , 03:50 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by criminalheretic View Post
You're leaving out the part where we all know that forming a premade is a morally suspect endeavor, similar to shaking babies.
LOL'd for a good 20 seconds....

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Washingtoon
01.31.2013 , 03:50 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
whoa, logic
On the contrary, his post is, as usual, manifesting a complete lack of logic, presence of several contradictions , naive expectations that a community effort can solve all problems and what he seems to believe is a cleverly hidden "I'd like to keep rolling pugs".

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sirullrich
01.31.2013 , 03:50 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by sirullrich View Post
AWWWWW...*****IIIIEEEET Ugly you gonna get a banned for this. You know you can't call pugs out. LOL Your post is exactly what I am saying. There is probably never a time where this no premades on a team. To come to the forums to say that "I am LOSING because of premades" is an excuse!!!!!!
*there are no premades
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cashogy_reborn
01.31.2013 , 03:52 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Washingtoon View Post
On the contrary, his post is, as usual, manifesting a complete lack of logic, presence of several contradictions , naive expectations that a community effort can solve all problems and what he seems to believe is a cleverly hidden "I'd like to keep rolling pugs".
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UGLYMRJ
01.31.2013 , 03:53 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by sirullrich View Post
AWWWWW...*****IIIIEEEET Ugly you gonna get a banned for this. You know you can't call pugs out. LOL Your post is exactly what I am saying. There is probably never a time where this no premades on a team. To come to the forums to say that "I am LOSING because of premades" is an excuse!!!!!!
LOL... you know my PT on POT5 is named Awshii'et right? Add me if you haven't. Been slacking on POT5 but plan on getting back in it after the wedding/honeymoon.

And that's exactly it... it's an excuse which is easier than accepting ones own failures for most. As soon as the gear grind wasn't a logical complaint the 37th division of the nerf pre-made brigade took off in full force.

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sirullrich
01.31.2013 , 03:54 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Washingtoon View Post
On the contrary, his post is, as usual, manifesting a complete lack of logic, presence of several contradictions , naive expectations that a community effort can solve all problems and what he seems to believe is a cleverly hidden "I'd like to keep rolling pugs".
AGAIN another pug who just can not seem to understand!!!!! A good team will always beat a bad team regardless of pugs or premades. You can have 8 guildys on the same team with 13k hp and 8 pugs with full wh 20k hp and I guarantee that the pugs will win. So in this situation who has the advantage?????? Also if you are telling me that the team with 13k hp players are going to win then please uninstall.
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