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Same gender romance discussion
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Tatile
03.18.2013 , 07:18 AM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
Actually, we don't know that. It is likely he's going to be more "bromantic" towards a possible male PC love interest. He has been taught to treat women one way, and men another - that wouldn't change if he was bisexual.
You know, for some reason I'm reminded of a quote I saw that was attributed to the Milk movie.

mSmug: ...and Corso, one of these days you'll have my babies.
Corso: Not sure it works that way, Captain.
mSmug: You don't know until you try.

I don't know ._. it could be funny, but I'm not funny.

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WeirdnGilly
03.18.2013 , 11:12 PM | #442
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
Damn, I really need to level my Smuggler before I can start commenting on Corso. I don't want to deal with his chauvinism, but mSmug's voice acting comes across a bland ._.
Give him a shot! I thought so too at first, but the voice has grown on me. It suits him, IMO. (Speaking as someone who normally chooses the snarky or diplomatic dialogue options).

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tgokovenant
03.19.2013 , 09:13 AM | #443
Just wanna give my 2 cents on the SGR subject. I made a fem sith warrior before I even knew that romance was possible in this game. Then I acquired vette and I looked up the companions. In vette's profile it says Romance = yes. In Quinn's profile it said Romance = yes (light side female) so I immediately assumed I could romance vette as a fem sith. I was actually very disappointed to learn that my only romance option was a dude. I'm glad that they're eventually putting it in. And BW is getting a lot of flack for it only with working on 1 planet at first, but honestly, there has to be A LOT of work involved. Writing new dialogue, recording voices, programming it all in, testing. For a game so massive as SW:TOR, that would take at least a year. Glad they're finally, slowly but surely, adding it to the game. I just hope it happens before I reach lvl 55 with every class.
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DarkTrooperV
03.20.2013 , 08:44 AM | #444
My only hope is that this isn't a "Well, we'll give them Makeb and maybe they'll just go away". *sighs* With so many changes going on at EAware, my hope continues to dwindle. I so want to make a FemShep Trooper. But I just can't bring myself to do it without a Liara at my side. I would love for Azshara Zavaros to be romancable for my Fem Sith Inquisitor and many others. But my hope continues to fade. I still try to remain upbeat. But I don't know how much longer I can do that. I don't know how much of what Gonzoles said was lip service or how much was truth. They aren't giving anything for us to go on.

Yes yes, I know. They can't exactly show us anything. *rubs temple* I just have a bad feeling about this. LIke this is all one massive con job.
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Blackholeskipper
03.20.2013 , 09:24 AM | #445
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkTrooperV View Post
Yes yes, I know. They can't exactly show us anything. *rubs temple* I just have a bad feeling about this. LIke this is all one massive con job.
Really not surprising with this game. They need to start keeping their promises, even if they were made before free-to-play and all that, they still said "soon," "sooner than you expect!," "get ready for what's coming!", etc. Not all that much progress really... (speech bubbles, hood toggle, space, etc etc).

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DarkTrooperV
03.20.2013 , 09:33 AM | #446
I think EA is about to win "Worst company of the Year" award again. Is it pretty bad when I wish SOE would have gotten the rights to this game? I mean...I hate to say it, but Smedley is actaully trying to turn his company around. At least SOE has kept their promises. Not always good ones, but they have kept them.
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Slaign
03.20.2013 , 05:42 PM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Yeah, I think there's a difference between "chauvinistic" and old fashioned gentlemanly, but I haven't seen any evidence of him looking down on them or calling them weak. My smuggler was male though so I only saw how he reacted to female NPCs and companions.
Actually, being and old fashioned gentleman is rooted in traditions of chauvinism. It's important to recognize that chauvinism isn't misogyny. Chauvinism doesn't require a hatred of women. Traditionally defined, chauvinism does require a belief of superiority, but you don't have to have a chauvinist mentality to engage in chauvinist actions and traditions.

Corso believes that women should be treated in a certain way because they are women. That's chauvinist, and nonsense. People should be treated as they desire or deserve based on who they are, what they want, and what they've done. Not their gender.

Opening doors, pulling out chairs, or otherwise "treating a woman like a lady" is rooted in the idea that men should treat women like porcelain dolls or delicate flowers. A man doing these things might not mean anything negative by it, but it carries a negative connotation.

That's not to say that no man should ever treat a woman like a lady, or act in an old fashioned gentlemanly manner. There are no shortage of women who want to be treated that way. But there are also no shortage of women who don't want to be treated that way.

Pulling out a chair for a woman who enjoys that treatment is polite. Insisting on treating all women a certain way because you think that's how one treats women is chauvinistic.

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Khevar
03.20.2013 , 08:14 PM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by Slaign View Post
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Opening doors, pulling out chairs, or otherwise "treating a woman like a lady" is rooted in the idea that men should treat women like porcelain dolls or delicate flowers. A man doing these things might not mean anything negative by it, but it carries a negative connotation.

That's not to say that no man should ever treat a woman like a lady, or act in an old fashioned gentlemanly manner. There are no shortage of women who want to be treated that way. But there are also no shortage of women who don't want to be treated that way.

Pulling out a chair for a woman who enjoys that treatment is polite. Insisting on treating all women a certain way because you think that's how one treats women is chauvinistic.
I once received flak for something as simple as holding the door open. This was a few years ago, but I got barked at "I don't need you hold the door open for me!"

It was a bit of a surprise and wholly uncalled for, as I do this for both women AND men. If I'm at the door, and it's not automatic, and there's someone coming up behind me, I hold the door for them.

I've always thought it of it as a point of etiquette, or respect.

It think it's important to distinguish between a school of people who were raised into believing in inherent superiority, and people who were just taught "this is polite behavior"

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Kioma
03.20.2013 , 10:20 PM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I once received flak for something as simple as holding the door open. This was a few years ago, but I got barked at "I don't need you hold the door open for me!"

It was a bit of a surprise and wholly uncalled for, as I do this for both women AND men. If I'm at the door, and it's not automatic, and there's someone coming up behind me, I hold the door for them.

I've always thought it of it as a point of etiquette, or respect.

It think it's important to distinguish between a school of people who were raised into believing in inherent superiority, and people who were just taught "this is polite behavior"
Ditto. I do this for anyone, male or female, young or old, rich or poor because I'm a polite person. I understand why people might think I'm being sexist but it's not the case. Lots of behavioural modes have changed meaning over the years (Samhain to Hallowe'en, Yule to Christmas, chasing invading tribes away to running after the marriage car as it leaves) and I can see a great deal of benefit to this one being the same. Rather than 'Don't hold doors open for women' there's no reason it couldn't change to 'hold doors open for anyone'.

Having said that y'all DO know this whole conversation is going to get purged, right?

On that note while I have no inherent issue with the use of the term I'd like to point out that originally 'Chauvinism' referred to Nicholas Chauvin's overwhelming belief in Napoleon's (and by extension Napoleon's forces') superiority. That's why the mistaken belief of male superiority over women is called 'male chauvinism'. Just thought you'd like to know (though you probably already do). Chauvinism doesn't have to have anything at all to do with gender.
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SithKoriandr
03.21.2013 , 01:33 AM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by Khevar View Post
I once received flak for something as simple as holding the door open. This was a few years ago, but I got barked at "I don't need you hold the door open for me!"

It was a bit of a surprise and wholly uncalled for, as I do this for both women AND men. If I'm at the door, and it's not automatic, and there's someone coming up behind me, I hold the door for them.

I've always thought it of it as a point of etiquette, or respect.

It think it's important to distinguish between a school of people who were raised into believing in inherent superiority, and people who were just taught "this is polite behavior"
While there may be a few who see it as that way, there's so many more who appreciate it

Anyone who see's that as bad, should be grouped along with those who don't want SGR and basically ignored!