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Xilizhra
01.17.2014 , 06:58 AM | #3071
Quote: Originally Posted by vadess View Post
Is Austin in Texas, the most conservative state in the US of A? If so... that explains a lot.
Strangely enough, the city of Austin itself is quite liberal.

I know it's tempting to look upon the team here as a bunch of homophobes, but as that one saying goes, at least paraphrased, never assume malice when stupidity is a possible explanation.

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Tatile
01.17.2014 , 07:06 AM | #3072
Quote: Originally Posted by Xilizhra View Post
Strangely enough, the city of Austin itself is quite liberal.

I know it's tempting to look upon the team here as a bunch of homophobes, but as that one saying goes, at least paraphrased, never assume malice when stupidity is a possible explanation.
Yeah, but calling the Austin team a bunch of morons doesn't make us feel any better

ok maybe a little

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Xilizhra
01.17.2014 , 07:08 AM | #3073
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
Yeah, but calling the Austin team a bunch of morons doesn't make us feel any better

ok maybe a little
Either way, I have faith in Bioware, at least the parts of Bioware that aren't this one.

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Jandi
01.17.2014 , 08:34 AM | #3074
Quote: Originally Posted by vadess View Post
Is Austin in Texas, the most conservative state in the US of A? If so... that explains a lot.
Texas the most conservative? Please, stop watching movies and assuming it's fact. I live in FINLAND and know it's rather liberal as far as southern states go.

And regarding to BioWare itself: Companies like BioWare have no need to hire locally. They can hire whoever they want from around the world. People will move from Australia to work there. Even low level staff position are filled from aound the world as potential employees will jump through any hoop to work there.

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vadess
01.17.2014 , 11:56 AM | #3075
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandi View Post
Texas the most conservative? Please, stop watching movies and assuming it's fact. I live in FINLAND and know it's rather liberal as far as southern states go.

And regarding to BioWare itself: Companies like BioWare have no need to hire locally. They can hire whoever they want from around the world. People will move from Australia to work there. Even low level staff position are filled from aound the world as potential employees will jump through any hoop to work there.
The show "What Would You Do?" lead me a bit to that conclusion, not going to lie. But given what's been said... I don't understand why Bioware caved to pressure somewhere outside of the stupidity explanation lol.
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Jandi
01.17.2014 , 01:27 PM | #3076
Quote: Originally Posted by vadess View Post
The show "What Would You Do?" lead me a bit to that conclusion, not going to lie. But given what's been said... I don't understand why Bioware caved to pressure somewhere outside of the stupidity explanation lol.
They cut a lot of stuff out due to EA wanting the game out and since then, they've had to fire a vast majority of the team and to put many features on hold indefinitely.

For the game to even survive, they need to push out new FPs, Operations and daily areas on a semi-regular basis in addition to working on the next expansion. These things are not optional additions if they wish to keep the playerbase, that's the reality of MMOs such as TOR where content relies entirely on the dev team.

What money they have left over in the budget, if any, is tightly priotized and some features are just not very high on the list. It would be actual stupidity to devote resources out of a small pool into something that is a one-off experience that a minotity will partake in.

So, next time you think someone or something is stupid, take a moment to consider more than simple factors.

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Nydus
01.17.2014 , 02:34 PM | #3077
Uggg...

I think it is fairly obvious what happened; BioWare bowed to political pressure from EA (a la Mass Effect 2) and did not write in SGR. They've now regained some backbone and are trying inject it into new content (but are having difficulty doing that since the new content isn't exactly that character and plot specific).

They've put themselves in a bit of a pickle. If they do decide to add new companions in the future where SGR is possible, I think we all know how that is going to be labelled in the media. OMG... PARENTS! BIOWARE ADDS CHARACTERS THAT WILL TURN YOUR KIDS GAY!

They really can't win.

- Arcada
The Arcada Legacy (Ebon Hawk)
Ord'os (Lvl.55 Sorcerer), Naresa (Lvl.53 Operative), Jagrafess (Lvl.19 Marauder)
Nydus (Lvl.54 Shadow), Toclafane (Lvl.27 Guardian)

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Tatile
01.17.2014 , 02:37 PM | #3078
David Gaider gives his view - as well as the mechanical problems - on the 'gay toggle' debate on his tumblr:

http://dgaider.tumblr.com/post/73640...oggle-solution

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Beyond that, when it comes to content options like the so-called “gay toggle” …my question would be “why?”
So yeah, when EA is LGBT-friendly (turning up to stuff like Gaymer Con) and Bioware - Original themselves are LGB-inclusive, even down to their writers, why do people think they can go "waah, gays!" and get an anti-gay toggle over here? Yes, Austin dismissed SGRA during development - not great, no - but that also means that along with the mentioned problems, the game wouldn't support such exclusion in the coding. And yeah, if they can get an anti-gay toggle, why can't I turn all the principle male NPCs to be made female? Their gender is meaningless.



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Uggg...

I think it is fairly obvious what happened; BioWare bowed to political pressure from EA (a la Mass Effect 2) and did not write in SGR. They've now regained some backbone and are trying inject it into new content (but are having difficulty doing that since the new content isn't exactly that character and plot specific).

They've put themselves in a bit of a pickle. If they do decide to add new companions in the future where SGR is possible, I think we all know how that is going to be labelled in the media. OMG... PARENTS! BIOWARE ADDS CHARACTERS THAT WILL TURN YOUR KIDS GAY!

They really can't win.

- Arcada
Already had that "waah, gays!" debacle with the announcement of Makeb - bunch of "Waah, Gay Planet!" crap from various news sources. Admittedly Bioware didn't help that much by only having SGR options on Makeb, but you'll also notice that aforementioned "news" sources didn't get their panties in a bunch over the SGR-[Flirt]s available in the monthly BBA event. Imagine the headlines: MONTHLY GAYS COME OUT. MONTHLY GAYS IN STAR WARS. 12 GAY MONTHS IN STAR WARS. etc. etc.

I can't speak for EA, I'm not American and I haven't played Mass Effect. However, they seem to be working for a better reception with LGB (though likely not so much T) players - one might be cynical and say this is over money, but let's be honest, they're capitalists.

(Actually, I think I realised I do not have a career ahead of me in sensationalism.)

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Nydus
01.17.2014 , 02:53 PM | #3079
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Imagine the headlines: MONTHLY GAYS COME OUT. MONTHLY GAYS IN STAR WARS. 12 GAY MONTHS IN STAR WARS. etc. etc.
Hey, if they want to demonstrate some b@!!$s perhaps they should do just that. I personally don't think it is a big deal.

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I can't speak for EA, I'm not American and I haven't played Mass Effect. However, they seem to be working for a better reception with LGB (though likely not so much T) players - one might be cynical and say this is over money, but let's be honest, they're capitalists.
I think when push comes to shove, BW (rightly) eventually ends up on the side of the LGBT community. However, it is often viewed as too little, too late.

BTW... is gender change possible in the game? We can change species. OMG STAR WARS WANTS TO TURN YOUR BOY INTO A GIRL!

- Arcada
The Arcada Legacy (Ebon Hawk)
Ord'os (Lvl.55 Sorcerer), Naresa (Lvl.53 Operative), Jagrafess (Lvl.19 Marauder)
Nydus (Lvl.54 Shadow), Toclafane (Lvl.27 Guardian)

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Nydus
01.17.2014 , 02:55 PM | #3080
Oh BTW, I think you should all end up facing a Court Martial in the game for romancing anyone under your command, as outlined in the statutes governing any modern military.

- Arcada
The Arcada Legacy (Ebon Hawk)
Ord'os (Lvl.55 Sorcerer), Naresa (Lvl.53 Operative), Jagrafess (Lvl.19 Marauder)
Nydus (Lvl.54 Shadow), Toclafane (Lvl.27 Guardian)