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Same gender romance discussion
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Tatile
08.25.2013 , 05:41 AM | #1761
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
I'm with Tatile here, I don't think they're going to be changing the current companion romances, you might as well just continue. There are flirts in the Macrobinocular and Seeker quests and the FP quest of CZ-198. Oricon is also likely to include more flirts.
Mind that if you are Imperial, you are not allowed to be much of a lesbian (you can [Flirt] with women, but they're likely to brush you off) and as a member of the Republic you aren't really allowed to be a gay man (there are no gay male [Flirt]s in the entirety of Makeb outside of Lord Cytharat and the BBA week is over, wherein there is a single "that would be nice but we have work to do" [Flirt]).

That's just how much Bioware: Austin cares.

It's actually a little surprising, then, that tumblr's #swtaw has so much gay coupling in, but then it is fan work and not subject to Bioware: Austin's encompassing "homosexuals aren't allowed nice things" approach.

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Xilizhra
08.25.2013 , 06:34 AM | #1762
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
Mind that if you are Imperial, you are not allowed to be much of a lesbian (you can [Flirt] with women, but they're likely to brush you off) and as a member of the Republic you aren't really allowed to be a gay man (there are no gay male [Flirt]s in the entirety of Makeb outside of Lord Cytharat and the BBA week is over, wherein there is a single "that would be nice but we have work to do" [Flirt]).

That's just how much Bioware: Austin cares.

It's actually a little surprising, then, that tumblr's #swtaw has so much gay coupling in, but then it is fan work and not subject to Bioware: Austin's encompassing "homosexuals aren't allowed nice things" approach.
Come to think of it, there's one thing that compensates if you play a lesbian Consular: your only female companion is your own Padawan, and boinking her strikes me as being a shade unethical anyway. So it's possible that you don't really lose that much of significance.

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I'm with Tatile here, I don't think they're going to be changing the current companion romances, you might as well just continue. There are flirts in the Macrobinocular and Seeker quests and the FP quest of CZ-198. Oricon is also likely to include more flirts.
All right, but how many of these are just one-night stands? And didn't one of the developer quotes mention the companions?

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Tatile
08.25.2013 , 08:44 AM | #1763
There are no one-night stands for SGR [Flirt]s (that I am aware of).

And Mr. Hickman commented on the development of SGRAs with companions in the State of the Game #2, but with the utter lack of any meaningful communication or acknowledgement beyond "we have put some this in the game yes", it was utterly meaningless. I asked... I think it was Ms. Green about how SGRAs with current companions might be introduced or how new companions might be introduced (who are SGRA options), after the announcement of Treek being Cartel Market and her response was "companions are addressed on a case by case basis".

Which, frankly, means that if there are any SGRA options with current or new companions in the works (which I find to be extremely unlikely for the former and rather unlikely for the latter), that we will have to pay through the nose for them. Most likely more than Treek costs at current because "romances are so hard to write".

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Xilizhra
08.25.2013 , 09:16 AM | #1764
Maybe I'm just confused as to the nature of a "flirt" when used as a noun in TOR. What are these characters like, exactly?

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Tatile
08.25.2013 , 09:30 AM | #1765
Quote: Originally Posted by Xilizhra View Post
Maybe I'm just confused as to the nature of a "flirt" when used as a noun in TOR. What are these characters like, exactly?
[Flirt] is just that - the option to [Flirt] on the dialogue wheel. It's usually a one-off NPC, the likes of which are fairly common in the male versions of the storylines. Those are the base SGR's, though there is a step up, for recurring NPCs (the first that springs to mind is the Sith chap on Alderaan in the Inquisitor storyline) and vary from having [Flirt] options in multiple conversations to one-night stands (OGR only).

The term SGRA is mostly used in relation to companion romances, which are multi-quest, mulit-[Flirt] affairs ending in marriage.

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chuixupu
08.25.2013 , 12:57 PM | #1766
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
There was a video on youtube with the devs shortly after launch at some games con somewhere, I think it might have been Seattle (it's some time ago). When asked about SGRAs the dev laughed and said "there are no gays in Star Wars". The fit that followed saw the video removed from youtube and BioWare issueing a statement. This isn't some myth, I was furious when I saw it.
Distasteful as that is, it was just a dev trying to be funny, probably referencing the whole forum post debacle. Prior to launch there were plenty of official statements saying that they had plans to add SGR in SWTOR from the start.
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08.25.2013 , 03:46 PM | #1767
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Maybe I'm just confused as to the nature of a "flirt" when used as a noun in TOR. What are these characters like, exactly?
Like Taitle said, it's basically a choice on the dialog wheel. There seem to be four types of romance content.

1) Choose [flirt] with a non-companion NPC but nothing happens (it's there for 'flavor' I guess). Most SGRs seem to be like this (Microbinocular mission flirts, BBA flirts).

2) Flirt with a non-companion NPC where something is implied to happen (fade to black). I know of one of these for SGRs (new Czerka flashpoint: can flirt/fade to black with female Czerka rep).

3) Small romantic storylines with non-companion NPCs that you talk to a few times but nothing serious happens. The Makeb SGRs fall into this category.

4) Romance storylines with companion NPCs that are the only serious relationships depicted in swtor....only heterosexual PCs have this privilege.

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Xilizhra
08.25.2013 , 08:13 PM | #1768
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
[Flirt] is just that - the option to [Flirt] on the dialogue wheel. It's usually a one-off NPC, the likes of which are fairly common in the male versions of the storylines. Those are the base SGR's, though there is a step up, for recurring NPCs (the first that springs to mind is the Sith chap on Alderaan in the Inquisitor storyline) and vary from having [Flirt] options in multiple conversations to one-night stands (OGR only).

The term SGRA is mostly used in relation to companion romances, which are multi-quest, mulit-[Flirt] affairs ending in marriage.
And the only thing we can consider being acceptable, of course. Disappointing.

One thing's for sure, sitting around and being sad about it should probably be our last priority. I think, if possible, we need to do something more active to put pressure on Austin.

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Palar
08.25.2013 , 09:58 PM | #1769
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And the only thing we can consider being acceptable, of course. Disappointing.

One thing's for sure, sitting around and being sad about it should probably be our last priority. I think, if possible, we need to do something more active to put pressure on Austin.
It's been tried - and with how well the "so, how about those 'post-launch' SGR companion arcs?"/"trust us, guys, it's totes coming with Makeb" exchange turned out, any external 'sources of pressure' who may have cared gave up and found a better use of their time.

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Tatile
08.26.2013 , 03:08 AM | #1770
I am tired in the face of an apathetic giant which thinks that ignoring questions is the best way to provide answers.

Trust me, we tried. We tried so many things ans so often and all it resulted in is, well, nothing.

Bioware: Austin has successfully managed to bear enthusiasm, anger and hope down with their own monstrous apathy, and I can see it happening to other parts of the game.

And I am so gosh darn sick of putting in effort and getting absolute non-answers from CSRs who are just laughing behind their desks. If I weren't so invested in my characters... :/